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  • Paladin
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Dec 2005
    • 12387

    CCW'er vs two BGs: Guess who lives?

    This will be example #34 of CCWing saving lives (see my sig line).



    Charlotte victims fight back with deadly force
    Experts: Recent spate of incidents shows public's growing sense it must defend itself.fordonez@charlotteobserver.com
    Posted: Thursday, Sep. 30, 2010

    The delivery driver for Pizza Hut started carrying a gun to work, he says, after being robbed twice in two years.

    He says the fact that he had his Glock 22 under his shirt on Monday saved his life when two armed would-be robbers attacked him at the restaurant.

    The driver, who asked that his name not be used out of fear for his safety, shot and killed the two men. They were identified as Gregory James Hardy and Dauntrae Wallace, both 21 and both convicted felons.

    "If the bad guys attack, you know they'll have guns," the driver said. "The police can't protect everyone."

    Police say the shooting remains under investigation. No charges had been filed by Wednesday night. It's the third Charlotte-area case in two weeks in which an apparent robbery target used deadly force against a would-be assailant.

    Experts say the cluster of cases could reflect growing feelings among a better-armed public that it needs to defend itself.

    On Tuesday, a man who deputies say broke into a Union County home died after being beaten with a baseball bat by the homeowner.

    Last week, Scott Thomas, a drummer for a Greenville, N.C., rock band, traded gunshots in Rock Hill with two men who allegedly tried to rob the band. One of the men, Demarcus Burris, 22, died from gunshot wounds. The other man, Dytavis Hinton, 22, and Thomas were taken to Carolinas Medical Center.

    While homicides in the Charlotte-Mecklenburg metro area are up 23 percent from last year, crime overall is down 14 percent, according to Charlotte-Mecklenburg police. The downward trend reflects national statistics.

    Even so, the number of concealed weapon permits issued to Mecklenburg residents has risen 142 percent in the past three years.

    Tony Scheer, a Charlotte criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor, said the perception of higher crime has skewed reality and led to the purchase of more handguns. That has fueled a debate about vigilante justice.

    There is a difference between someone using deadly force in self-defense when his or her life is threatened and someone using deadly force when there is no threat. Sheer said the victim deserves the benefit of the doubt.

    A year ago, 76-year-old C.L. McClure drew widespread attention in the shooting death of a 15-year-old who police said was part of a home-invasion robbery at McClure's northeast Charlotte house. McClure told police and prosecutors that after the midday break-in, he chased the robbers down to a wooded area where he shot and killed one of them.

    When a homeowner shoots an intruder, N.C. law allows prosecutors to rule it justified. But McClure drove after the robbers, plunging the case into a gray area, legal experts say. Mecklenburg District Attorney Peter Gilchrist decided not to charge McClure, citing self-defense.

    On Monday, inside the Pizza Hut cooler, the driver said the intruders were punching and pistol whipping him. He held his gun under his shirt, saying he didn't want to use it unless he had to. He had a permit to conceal it.

    But he said that as he felt one of the men lifting his shirt, nearly exposing the gun, the driver pulled out the weapon and opened fire. He said he acted to save his life.


    N.C. law prohibits concealed weapons at restaurants where alcohol is served.

    Pizza Hut policy also forbids workers from carrying firearms. Employees have been fired for using guns in self-defense.

    Mike Hinshaw, owner and trainer of Handgunners Inc., a large indoor shooting and training facility in Burlington, said he's glad the driver is alive.

    He said each case is a judgment call but noted that an increasing number of people feel the need to protect themselves. He said his gun-safety classes have increased more than 50 percent in the past two years.

    Look at the news, he said, and you'll see that crimes, even if fewer in number, are getting more severe.

    "Law enforcement can't protect you 24/7 everywhere you are."


    Staff writer Ely Portillo contributed.
    240+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives.
  • #2
    safewaysecurity
    Calguns Addict
    • Jun 2010
    • 6166

    Good Stuff
    Originally posted by cudakidd
    I want Blood for Oil. Heck I want Blood for Oil over hand wringing sentiment!
    ^

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    • #3
      VTRweasel
      Member
      • Aug 2010
      • 238

      Thanks.
      www.sobar.us Sober Riders

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      • #4
        Crom
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2010
        • 1619

        Excellent.

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        • #5
          Paladin
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Dec 2005
          • 12387

          I can't wait until we start getting news reports like this from CA. But of course, that can't start happening for "two weeks." Until then, it is Open Season on CA GGs.

          Once these events start getting reported in CA, then our BGs may start thinking twice re their career choices.

          This reminds me I need to give my pro-CCW business card fliers (#13 of my 16 things YOU CAN DO sig line link), to pizza and other delivery drivers too. You can too.
          240+ examples of CCWs Saving Lives.

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          • #6
            skyadrenaline
            Member
            • Dec 2009
            • 194

            Originally posted by Paladin
            On Monday, inside the Pizza Hut cooler, the driver said the intruders were punching and pistol whipping him. He held his gun under his shirt, saying he didn't want to use it unless he had to. He had a permit to conceal it.

            But he said that as he felt one of the men lifting his shirt, nearly exposing the gun, the driver pulled out the weapon and opened fire. He said he acted to save his life.
            So he's getting pistol whipped by the first guy, and he only decides to fire back when the second guy starts to pull out another gun?

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            • #7
              The Cable Guy
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2008
              • 1277

              Originally posted by skyadrenaline
              So he's getting pistol whipped by the first guy, and he only decides to fire back when the second guy starts to pull out another gun?
              Looks like he fired when his weapon was about to be exposed. I'm sure if the BGs saw a gun, they would start shooting in fear of their own lives, so he the CCWer preempted them by acting quickly.

              www.theshootersblog.com

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              • #8
                Munk
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2010
                • 2124

                Employees have been fired for using guns in self-defense.
                This kinda pisses me off... i KNOW it's a function of company policy, however, policy should not come at the expense of employee safety. If they want no guns, then they should offer an armed escort for their employees, since that isn't going to happen any time soon, licensed carry seems to be the way to go.
                Originally posted by greasemonkey
                1911's instill fairy dust in the bullets, making them more deadly.

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                • #9
                  jtmkinsd
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 2352

                  I don't think I would've waited as long
                  Originally posted by orangeglo
                  Welcome to failtown, population = you.

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                  • #10
                    yellowfin
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 8371

                    Not only will this kind of thing put a dent in criminal employment, hopefully enough of it will put an end to anti gun organizations' employment as well.
                    "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things with insane laws. That's insane!" -- Penn Jillette
                    Originally posted by indiandave
                    In Pennsylvania Your permit to carry concealed is called a License to carry fire arms. Other states call it a CCW. In New Jersey it's called a crime.
                    Discretionary Issue is the new Separate but Equal.

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                    • #11
                      RomanDad
                      Veteran Member
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 3478

                      Originally posted by Paladin

                      [B]Pizza Hut policy also forbids workers from carrying firearms. Employees have been fired for using guns in self-defense.
                      I swear to God if they fire this kid, I'll never order from Pizza Hut again.
                      Life is too short to drive a Ferrari...

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                      • #12
                        bulgron
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 2783

                        Originally posted by RomanDad
                        I swear to God if they fire this kid, I'll never order from Pizza Hut again.
                        That stuff turns my gut upside down. I haven't had any in over a decade and I'll probably never order from them ever again, regardless of the kid's job security. Nasty, nasty, nasty.

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                        Disclaimer: All opinions are entirely my own.

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                        • #13
                          yellowfin
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 8371

                          Papa John's, Domino's, or a local pizza place could make a huge PR move by publicly offering to hire him if Pizza Hut fires him for this.
                          "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things with insane laws. That's insane!" -- Penn Jillette
                          Originally posted by indiandave
                          In Pennsylvania Your permit to carry concealed is called a License to carry fire arms. Other states call it a CCW. In New Jersey it's called a crime.
                          Discretionary Issue is the new Separate but Equal.

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                          • #14
                            DougJ
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 1812

                            "If the bad guys attack, you know they'll have guns," the driver said. "The police can't protect everyone."
                            There's an obvious point that way too many people out don't get...


                            Dauntrae Wallace

                            Demarcus Burris

                            Dytavis Hinton
                            So statistically, a ridiculous name that begins with the letter "D" will cause you to get shot while committing a felony...
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                            • #15
                              PanchoVilla
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 504

                              If my choices are

                              Get crap beat out of me, go to hospital or morgue but keep job at Pizza Hut.

                              Defend self, get fired.

                              I am gonna go with the second choice.

                              Also seconding the don't get pizza from pizza hut. (honestly though when it comes to Pizza there has to be a better option near you. Independant pizza places are almost always better than pizza hut)

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