Gun ads on bus stops - on KTVU

[sierratangofoxtrotunion]

Just saw Brandon on KTVU about 120 seconds ago getting interviewed about the bus stop signs.

[the_quark]

Woot! Love to hear how it turned out. Gene was on a plane, and I have the boys tonight, so Brandon drew the short the straw.

[sierratangofoxtrotunion]

Haha it wasn't bad. They interviewed him at a bus stop next to the sign (it looked like). Some people said it's no problem, some people said that the sight of the gun made them uncomfortable, or at least that's what they said on camera.

Brandon: "we were absolutely prepared to litigate the issue."

He was very pretty, too.

[the_quark]

He was very pretty, too.

Prolly having him out as the public face was the best possible outcome from a public service perspective.

[sierratangofoxtrotunion]

You're easy on the eyes too...

[anthonyca]

Man, I just got home and missed it. I hope it ends up on YouTube so I can watch it on my iPhone.

[trashman]

YEAH!!! The wife just called and gave me the heads-up -- I'm in SoCal on travel but she is home and caught the segment on TV. Great work Wildhawker!!!!!!!

--Neill

[thedrickel]

KTVU news is rerun on ch6(36) at 11:30

[Mstrty]

YEAH!!! The wife just called and gave me the heads-up -- I'm in SoCal on travel but she is home and caught the segment on TV. Great work Wildhawker!!!!!!!

--Neill

[hoffmang]

187 miles from SFO at 39K feet is not conducive to being on the air. From what I hear Brandon did an excellent job and he's more handsome anyway

-Gene

[trashman]

I'm pretty sure you don't want pics of me eating dinner and watching the Dodgers...

--Neill

[Window_Seat]

Good job Brandon! Good for KTVU, and good for everyone involved in this effort!

The one thing I did a double take on and had to replay it (the 10:00 news is DVRed nightly) is where Deborah (the reporter) said that the riders aren't as worried about guns depicted in advertisements, as the real thing on the MUNI system.

I wonder what the majority of riders would say if asked what they think of lawful CCWers on the MUNI. I guess we had better not ask (yet)...

I did notice that the one ad that was on the news clip looked tagged.

Erik.

[anthonyca]

187 miles from SFO at 39K feet is not conducive to being on the air. From what I hear Brandon did an excellent job and he's more handsome anyway

-Gene

I don't know Gene, you look nice in your aviator pic.

[sierratangofoxtrotunion]

I don't know Gene, you look nice in your aviator pic.

And he has this silky voice... put him in a room with good acoustics and he could do the voice for a men's body wash ad.

[obeygiant]

No video yet but here is the article:

San Francisco Reconsidering Gun Ban In Transit Ads
Posted: 3:00 pm PDT September 7, 2010
Updated: 9:28 pm PDT September 7, 2010

SAN FRANCISCO -- The image of a woman brandishing a gun is gracing more than a dozen San Francisco bus stop shelters after the city suspended a policy banning firearms in advertisements on public transportation.

The advertisement, which gun-rights advocates created to promote a conference near the city later this month, was allowed to run after city transportation officials decided they might face a legal challenge on Second Amendment grounds for refusing it.

The Municipal Transportation Agency is "taking a step back" to review its policy in light of a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision that said Second Amendment gun protections apply on a state and local level, spokesman Paul Rose said.

The ruling "may have significantly altered the landscape in terms of gun rights in this country," Rose said. "We just want to be very clear -- very transparent -- about what can be posted on our system."

The poster features a black-and-white photograph of a woman with a shotgun. The red text on top says, "A violent criminal is breaking through your front door. Can you afford to be unarmed?"

The poster promotes the 25th annual Gun Rights Policy Conference in Burlingame, south of San Francisco.

The city's ban on advertisements that "appear to promote the use of firearms" was enacted several years ago due to concern about the "use and appearance" of guns throughout the public transportation system, Rose said.

The policy applies to bus shelters and light-rail train stations operated by MTA, as well as city buses and trains themselves.

The pro-gun Second Amendment Foundation said it put up the posters after hearing that a movie poster for the buddy-cop comedy "The Other Guys" had to be modified because of the city's policy. Prop guns held by stars Will Ferrell and Mark Wahlberg in the poster were replaced with a pepper-spray can and a badge.

The gun prohibition for the movie advertisement was troubling to Alan Gottlieb, who founded the Second Amendment Foundation, based near Seattle.
"It sort of stuck in my throat a bit," said Gottlieb, whose group previously challenged a handgun ban in San Francisco. "A picture of a firearm, surely, I believe, is protected as much as the firearm is."

He said posting the eye-catching advertisement was a "win-win" situation for the group: If the image was allowed to be posted, it would give the conference publicity. If not, Gottlieb said he believes his group would win a lawsuit in court.

“Obviously, a government should not chill speech and we believe that had they rejected our posters, they would be doing just that,” said Brandon Combs of the California Guns Foundation, one of the advocacy groups involved. “We were absolutely prepared to litigate the issue.“

The group's optimism comes just months after the 5-4 U.S. Supreme Court ruling, in McDonald v. Chicago, regarding Second Amendment gun protections on the state and local level.
Justice Samuel Alito's opinion in that case is quoted in the advertisements, some of which were labeled Monday with a disclaimer that the perspectives in the ad "do not necessarily reflect the views of the San Francisco Municipal Transportation Agency."

The posters drew some negative reaction from passers-by Monday morning.

"I'm not a huge fan of these posters," said Courtney Pyle, 25, a speech pathologist who says she is not a proponent of gun rights. "They don't make me feel great."
Some Muni riders seem less troubled by the image than the suggestion that citizens are under siege.

“The thing that bothers me most about the poster is the brazen politics of it,” said Muni passenger Gabe Smedresman. “You know ‘fear for your safety’ type stuff.”
Gottlieb says San Francisco's attitude toward gun rights and the Second Amendment Foundation's views is hostile, but he sees the group's conference -- just their second in the Bay area in 16 years -- as an opportunity to support people who feel disenfranchised by local policies.

"San Francisco is not friendly territory to gun rights generally," he said. "There's a lot of people in the Bay area who own firearms and are discriminated against by local law enforcement."
The city will let the posters stand until a final decision is reached on the policy, Rose said.
“We're not making a decision about litigation at this point,” explained Rose. “We're reviewing our policy so we can make sure it's in line with what the Supreme Court decided a few months ago.”