Right to Open Carry

[Billy Jack]

Waste is a terrible thing to mind.

Would that make a 'panty' waste an effeminate UOC?
Waste not, want not.

Sorry, Brave is bored and could not waste these.

Billy Jack
'The Force is strong with this one'

https://www.californiaconcealedcarry.com

[Southwest Chuck]

Right and wrong.

Nothing in the penal code about it, but case law People v. Hale states that a magazine is an essential component of the firearm and concealment of such is considered a sufficiently concealed weapon.

Hypothetically, on a purely technical basis, if someone had a CCW permit and carried his gun openly with its mag concealed in a pocket (I know it sounds stupid) would he still be in compliance according to the law as it stands now? (i.e. the gun is still considered concealed?) It's akin to UOC but with a concealed mag. Just wondering in amazement at how idiotic our laws have become.

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[OleCuss]

Hypothetically, on a purely technical basis, if someone had a CCW permit and carried his gun openly with its mag concealed in a pocket (I know it sounds stupid) would he still be in compliance according to the law as it stands now? (i.e. the gun is still considered concealed?) It's akin to UOC but with a concealed mag. Just wondering in amazement at how idiotic our laws have become.

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If you have a concealed magazine your pistol is deemed concealed. Your magazine cannot be in your pocket - it must be clearly visible.

Edit: Carry your pistol in a holster on your strong-side and your magazines in a holster on your weak side. You can employ your weapon rapidly and you'll still be legal.

[Southwest Chuck]

If you have a concealed magazine your pistol is deemed concealed. Your magazine cannot be in your pocket - it must be clearly visible.

Edit: Carry your pistol in a holster on your strong-side and your magazines in a holster on your weak side. You can employ your weapon rapidly and you'll still be legal.

My point was, that with a CCW, you would be legal to conceal the mag, while you UOC and still be legal (although i don't know why anyone would want to do that) and the gun, even though it is carried openly, is still considered concealed in the eyes of the law.

True?

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[PsychGuy274]

Hypothetically, on a purely technical basis, if someone had a CCW permit and carried his gun openly with its mag concealed in a pocket (I know it sounds stupid) would he still be in compliance according to the law as it stands now? (i.e. the gun is still considered concealed?) It's akin to UOC but with a concealed mag. Just wondering in amazement at how idiotic our laws have become.

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Hypothetically yes.

There have been many cases that have deemed "partitially concealed" to be enough to charge someone with 12025 PC.

It's awesome because the anti-gun train of thought and legislation has backfired onto itself. If they make open carry illegal sometime down the road and we get shall issue CCW then you can do what you stated in your hypothetical and still be within the law as established case law.

Morons

[PsychGuy274]

My point was, that with a CCW, you would be legal to conceal the mag, while you UOC and still be legal (although i don't know why anyone would want to do that) and the gun, even though it is carried openly, is still considered concealed in the eyes of the law.

True?

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Yes.

Keep in mind that a 12050 license (CCW) exempts you from 12025 PC (concealed) and 12031 PC (loaded).

[OleCuss]

My point was, that with a CCW, you would be legal to conceal the mag, while you UOC and still be legal (although i don't know why anyone would want to do that) and the gun, even though it is carried openly, is still considered concealed in the eyes of the law.

True?

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I'm a little slow this a.m. I guess. . .

I'm glad you're not intending to do this. Even if you're technically correct, I'd not want to try to sell it to any of the cops you may meet.

[Southwest Chuck]

Hypothetically yes.

There have been many cases that have deemed "partitially concealed" to be enough to charge someone with 12025 PC.

It's awesome because the anti-gun train of thought and legislation has backfired onto itself. If they make open carry illegal sometime down the road and we get shall issue CCW then you can do what you stated in your hypothetical and still be within the law as established case law.

Morons

That's what I thought.

I suppose that's one way around a possible future ban on UOC with an acommpanied shall issue CCW ruling. It might be a way in the future to force a change to LOC ? Or force a change in the law stating that partially concealed is actually "not" concealed.

[PsychGuy274]

Or force a change in the law stating that partially concealed is actually "not" concealed.

That's probably what would end up happening.

Until then though, when we get CCW and if I'm still here in Kalifornia, I'm just gonna wear a regular hip holster and cover only the grip of the gun with a tight-fitting shirt.

[Decoligny]

Mags must be visable in a holder, The firearm must be unloaded unless in an incorporated UNINCORPORATED area where discharge of a firearm is allowed and you cannot OC if knowingly within 1000 Ft of a K-12 school. And putting a firearm on your waste will make it very difficult to clean...
Sorry, Couldn't resist. That thing you put your belt around is a waist. That thing you do every morning and evening is waste. I know it was just a spelling error. Butt it is funny!

Make sure you NEVER carry loaded in any incorporated area in California.