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  • #16
    Billy Jack
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 685

    Originally posted by N6ATF
    Waste is a terrible thing to mind.
    Would that make a 'panty' waste an effeminate UOC?
    Waste not, want not.

    Sorry, Brave is bored and could not waste these.

    Billy Jack
    'The Force is strong with this one'


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    • #17
      Southwest Chuck
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2009
      • 1942

      Originally posted by PsychGuy274
      Right and wrong.

      Nothing in the penal code about it, but case law People v. Hale states that a magazine is an essential component of the firearm and concealment of such is considered a sufficiently concealed weapon.
      Hypothetically, on a purely technical basis, if someone had a CCW permit and carried his gun openly with its mag concealed in a pocket (I know it sounds stupid) would he still be in compliance according to the law as it stands now? (i.e. the gun is still considered concealed?) It's akin to UOC but with a concealed mag. Just wondering in amazement at how idiotic our laws have become.

      .
      Originally posted by Southwest Chuck
      I am humbled at the efforts of so many Patriots on this and other forums, CGN, CGF, SAF, NRA, CRPF, MDS etc. etc. I am lucky to be living in an era of a new awakening of the American Spirit; One that embraces it's Constitutional History, and it's Founding Fathers vision, especially in an age of such uncertainty that we are now in.
      Originally posted by toby
      Go cheap you will always have cheap and if you sell, it will sell for even cheaper. Buy the best you can every time.
      ^^^ Wise Man. Take his advice

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      • #18
        OleCuss
        Calguns Addict
        • Jun 2009
        • 8032

        Originally posted by Southwest Chuck
        Hypothetically, on a purely technical basis, if someone had a CCW permit and carried his gun openly with its mag concealed in a pocket (I know it sounds stupid) would he still be in compliance according to the law as it stands now? (i.e. the gun is still considered concealed?) It's akin to UOC but with a concealed mag. Just wondering in amazement at how idiotic our laws have become.

        .
        If you have a concealed magazine your pistol is deemed concealed. Your magazine cannot be in your pocket - it must be clearly visible.

        Edit: Carry your pistol in a holster on your strong-side and your magazines in a holster on your weak side. You can employ your weapon rapidly and you'll still be legal.
        Last edited by OleCuss; 09-06-2010, 10:47 AM.
        CGN's token life-long teetotaling vegetarian. Don't consider anything I post as advice or as anything more than opinion (if even that).

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        • #19
          Southwest Chuck
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2009
          • 1942

          Originally posted by OleCuss
          If you have a concealed magazine your pistol is deemed concealed. Your magazine cannot be in your pocket - it must be clearly visible.

          Edit: Carry your pistol in a holster on your strong-side and your magazines in a holster on your weak side. You can employ your weapon rapidly and you'll still be legal.
          My point was, that with a CCW, you would be legal to conceal the mag, while you UOC and still be legal (although i don't know why anyone would want to do that) and the gun, even though it is carried openly, is still considered concealed in the eyes of the law.

          True?

          .
          Originally posted by Southwest Chuck
          I am humbled at the efforts of so many Patriots on this and other forums, CGN, CGF, SAF, NRA, CRPF, MDS etc. etc. I am lucky to be living in an era of a new awakening of the American Spirit; One that embraces it's Constitutional History, and it's Founding Fathers vision, especially in an age of such uncertainty that we are now in.
          Originally posted by toby
          Go cheap you will always have cheap and if you sell, it will sell for even cheaper. Buy the best you can every time.
          ^^^ Wise Man. Take his advice

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          • #20
            PsychGuy274
            Veteran Member
            • May 2010
            • 4289

            Originally posted by Southwest Chuck
            Hypothetically, on a purely technical basis, if someone had a CCW permit and carried his gun openly with its mag concealed in a pocket (I know it sounds stupid) would he still be in compliance according to the law as it stands now? (i.e. the gun is still considered concealed?) It's akin to UOC but with a concealed mag. Just wondering in amazement at how idiotic our laws have become.

            .
            Hypothetically yes.

            There have been many cases that have deemed "partitially concealed" to be enough to charge someone with 12025 PC.

            It's awesome because the anti-gun train of thought and legislation has backfired onto itself. If they make open carry illegal sometime down the road and we get shall issue CCW then you can do what you stated in your hypothetical and still be within the law as established case law.

            Morons
            I am a law enforcement officer in the state of Colorado. Nothing I post is legal advice of any kind.

            CLICK HERE for a San Diego County WIN!

            CLICK HERE to read my research review on the fight-or-flight response and its application to firearm training

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            • #21
              PsychGuy274
              Veteran Member
              • May 2010
              • 4289

              Originally posted by Southwest Chuck
              My point was, that with a CCW, you would be legal to conceal the mag, while you UOC and still be legal (although i don't know why anyone would want to do that) and the gun, even though it is carried openly, is still considered concealed in the eyes of the law.

              True?

              .
              Yes.

              Keep in mind that a 12050 license (CCW) exempts you from 12025 PC (concealed) and 12031 PC (loaded).
              I am a law enforcement officer in the state of Colorado. Nothing I post is legal advice of any kind.

              CLICK HERE for a San Diego County WIN!

              CLICK HERE to read my research review on the fight-or-flight response and its application to firearm training

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              • #22
                OleCuss
                Calguns Addict
                • Jun 2009
                • 8032

                Originally posted by Southwest Chuck
                My point was, that with a CCW, you would be legal to conceal the mag, while you UOC and still be legal (although i don't know why anyone would want to do that) and the gun, even though it is carried openly, is still considered concealed in the eyes of the law.

                True?

                .
                I'm a little slow this a.m. I guess. . .

                I'm glad you're not intending to do this. Even if you're technically correct, I'd not want to try to sell it to any of the cops you may meet.
                CGN's token life-long teetotaling vegetarian. Don't consider anything I post as advice or as anything more than opinion (if even that).

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                • #23
                  Southwest Chuck
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2009
                  • 1942

                  Originally posted by PsychGuy274
                  Hypothetically yes.

                  There have been many cases that have deemed "partitially concealed" to be enough to charge someone with 12025 PC.

                  It's awesome because the anti-gun train of thought and legislation has backfired onto itself. If they make open carry illegal sometime down the road and we get shall issue CCW then you can do what you stated in your hypothetical and still be within the law as established case law.

                  Morons
                  That's what I thought.

                  I suppose that's one way around a possible future ban on UOC with an acommpanied shall issue CCW ruling. It might be a way in the future to force a change to LOC ? Or force a change in the law stating that partially concealed is actually "not" concealed.
                  Originally posted by Southwest Chuck
                  I am humbled at the efforts of so many Patriots on this and other forums, CGN, CGF, SAF, NRA, CRPF, MDS etc. etc. I am lucky to be living in an era of a new awakening of the American Spirit; One that embraces it's Constitutional History, and it's Founding Fathers vision, especially in an age of such uncertainty that we are now in.
                  Originally posted by toby
                  Go cheap you will always have cheap and if you sell, it will sell for even cheaper. Buy the best you can every time.
                  ^^^ Wise Man. Take his advice

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                  • #24
                    PsychGuy274
                    Veteran Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 4289

                    Originally posted by Southwest Chuck
                    Or force a change in the law stating that partially concealed is actually "not" concealed.
                    That's probably what would end up happening.

                    Until then though, when we get CCW and if I'm still here in Kalifornia, I'm just gonna wear a regular hip holster and cover only the grip of the gun with a tight-fitting shirt.
                    I am a law enforcement officer in the state of Colorado. Nothing I post is legal advice of any kind.

                    CLICK HERE for a San Diego County WIN!

                    CLICK HERE to read my research review on the fight-or-flight response and its application to firearm training

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                    • #25
                      Decoligny
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 10615

                      Originally posted by diginit
                      Mags must be visable in a holder, The firearm must be unloaded unless in an incorporated UNINCORPORATED area where discharge of a firearm is allowed and you cannot OC if knowingly within 1000 Ft of a K-12 school. And putting a firearm on your waste will make it very difficult to clean...
                      Sorry, Couldn't resist. That thing you put your belt around is a waist. That thing you do every morning and evening is waste. I know it was just a spelling error. Butt it is funny!
                      Make sure you NEVER carry loaded in any incorporated area in California.
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                      If you haven't seen it with your own eyes,
                      or heard it with your own ears,
                      don't make it up with your small mind,
                      or spread it with your big mouth.

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