Strange conversation at local gun store

[safaridave]

All,

I had a strange conversation at a well-known local gun store in Culver City. I asked about an ak-74 style muzzle brake and the person asked me if I had an AK rifle. I said it was "AK-style" but built on an OLL with a mag-lock and 5-round magazine. He said for me to "be careful with that" as its "listed as an AW". I restated that it was an OLL with a maglock and 5 rounder. He said it "didnt matter, that the Kalashnikov gas system design was listed, making it an AW".

I stated that his viewpoint was interesting and left.

Me confused...

[bwiese]

You aren't confused, the store is - or more likely, the *employee*.

[What gunshop is this? I'm guessing Martin B. Retting.]

"Off-list" means it ain't banned by name so the gun could only conceivably be banned by specific SB23-banned configured features suites.

Kalashnikov gas systems have nothing to do with any ban, period and gas system type has nothing to do with Harrott listing specificity.

Tell him Bill Wiese and 300,000 others tell him he's fullacrap. Or we'd all be in jail

Sometimes relying on gunshops for gun legality or gun politics information is like relying on your plumber for medical info.

[mk3mitch]

"ya bro, they added tha gas system to the list" HAHAHA! Can't say I have heard that one before!

[radioburning]

If it's Martin Redding, that's strange coming from a store that, after years of talking smack on them, just started carrying OLL AR's.

[CSACANNONEER]

If it's Martin Redding, that's strange coming from a store that, after years of talking smack on them, just started carrying OLL AR's.

They can't sell OLLs! OLLs are illegal and they will go to jail. Or, at least, that is what they told me. I'm just glad that they do not practise law. Case law is on our side. If it is not listed by make and model, it can be legal in Ca. There is no difference between OLL AKs and OLL ARs. BTW, I bought a REAL AK from MBR just a few years ago. Just becase it was a WASR 22 doesn't mean that it does not operate using the exact same gas system as any other AK. Obviously, MBR employees are still full of FUD!

[CCWFacts]

If it's Martin Redding, that's strange coming from a store that, after years of talking smack on them, just started carrying OLL AR's.

It's well-known that most gun stores are woefully ignorant and dispense completely wrong, made-up, imaginary, and baseless advice with complete confidence.

If FFLs in this state could somehow get informed, and get involved, we would have much less problems. But most of them are not interested.

[Soldier415]

I would have thought by now that people would have gotten the memo...

I still get the "loaded mags in the same case as the gun is illegal because a cop told me so" just about every week...

[Aldemar]

If it's Martin Redding, that's strange coming from a store that, after years of talking smack on them, just started carrying OLL AR's.

Ditto for Greta's in Simi. I was browsing there about 2 months ago and they are now carrying OLL Lowers (not sure which brand). Guess Ft Courage was doing a lot of business with OLL's and they now want a piece of it.l

[Silverlake223]

I got my BB AR at Rettings a week after they told me they weren't going to carry them. They were going to "wait after the Nov election" to make up their minds. Boom, as quick as a snap of the fingers, they were for sale about a week or so later... :-) Can't complain here!

[faterikcartman]

On a positive note, I was at a Turners a couple weeks ago while local PD and Sheriff were there and they had a bunch of OLL options in complete rifle form. Clerk told me Turners was kind of nervous about it but was starting out slow (looked like they already had a lot of choices to me) and would see how it went on the OLL front. He also said local law enforcement as far as he knew were supportive and being briefed in their departments about OLL and everything was peachy. I was impressed with Turners and the local LE departments.

[Cobrafreak]

You would think that someone in the business would be up to date and correct on current laws. The store should be embarrassed.

[bwiese]

On a positive note, I was at a Turners a couple weeks ago while local PD and Sheriff were there and they had a bunch of OLL options in complete rifle form. Clerk told me Turners was kind of nervous about it but was starting out slow (looked like they already had a lot of choices to me) and would see how it went on the OLL front. He also said local law enforcement as far as he knew were supportive and being briefed in their departments about OLL and everything was peachy. I was impressed with Turners and the local LE departments.

I've found that Turner's VP Operations Bill Ortiz is well-informed and 'gets it'. I've had some good chats with him, talking about BB vs P50 issues, etc.

It takes a little time for the rest of an organization to get in the groove.

But what this also says is OLL stuff is now 'mainstream'.

It's also very funny to me that quite a few FFLs that have told me I'd/we'd go to jail are now selling OLL guns at full-tilt.

[Python2]

But what this also says is OLL stuff is now 'mainstream'.

It's also very funny to me that quite a few FFLs that have told me I'd/we'd go to jail are now selling OLL guns at full-tilt.

Hah! but I have yet to see Tabors in San Bruno sell one I gave my business to them once but thats about it. Never will if I can avoid it.

[bwiese]

Hah! but I have yet to see Tabors in San Bruno sell one I gave my business to them once but thats about it. Never will if I can avoid it.

Frank Tabor is a good guy and a good gunsmith.

Several years ago, he was a victim of Iggy+DOJ early on - on a bogus matter of his providing safe storage for legal estate disposition of AWs during the handling period. Frank was indeed legally right, and yet had to spend $10K for a lawyer... the case was laughed outta court, and Iggy was heard saying to another FFL, "Oh well it cost him $10K".

So I can understand Frank being a bit skittish - more than other FFLs.

[CCWFacts]

Several years ago, he was a victim of Iggy+DOJ early on - on a bogus matter of his providing safe storage for legal estate disposition of AWs during the handling period. Frank was indeed legally right, and yet had to spend $10K for a lawyer... the case was laughed outta court, and Iggy was heard saying to another FFL, "Oh well it cost him $10K".

That is unfortunate. "You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride." Legal fees, even on total nonsense, can be devastating. The state has unlimited resources and suffers no consequences for wasting them, while individuals always have limited resources and always suffer from such losses.