Is it up to the dealer to decide whether a OLL needs a bullet button?

[thatsteveguy]

Does anyone know if all ca FFL's can transfer in off list complete lowers (no upper attached) without having a bullet button installed? I've talked to some who say it's not a problem and other's who will not transfer one without the bullet button. Is there a reg that defines this clearly or is it just a dealer decision?

[bigcalidave]

Dealers decision, not law.

[Glock22Fan]

Does anyone know if all ca FFL's can transfer in off list complete lowers (no upper attached) without having a button block installed? I've talked to some who say it's not a problem and other's who will not transfer one without the button block. Is there a reg that defines this clearly or is it just a dealer decision?

It is called "Cover your *****"

[AndrewMendez]

Button block? Are you confused with the bullet button?
In order for the rifle to need a bullet button, it has to be classified as a Semi Auto, and centerfire rifle. So if you can attach a 22LR dedicated Upper to it, you do not need a BB as it does not classify as both.

[thatsteveguy]

Button block? Are you confused with the bullet button?
In order for the rifle to need a bullet button, it has to be classified as a Semi Auto, and centerfire rifle. So if you can attach a 22LR dedicated Upper to it, you do not need a BB as it does not classify as both.

Sorry, brain fade there. Yes, the means of disabling the mag release. The CYA mentality seems to be the order of the day from what I've discovered ...even though it's not required. Unfortunatly the FFL I used to transfer my complete OLL (again, no upper attached) refuses to release it to me unless it has the BB with a mag installed! Since this was going to be my AR .22 build (my first build of anything, first AR too) I didn't have a 5.56 mag and so will now have to purchase one as well as the BB... grrr!

[dirtyJ]

If he accepted the transfer without bullet button he needs to release it without the bullet button. Until you put an upper, a complete upper, on a complete lower half, it does *not* need to have a bullet button on it, as it is NOT a semi-automatic centerfire rifle. It also does *not* have to have a magazine inserted. Tell your FFL to give you your lower and to stuff it.

[loather]

I didn't have a 5.56 mag and so will now have to purchase one as well as the BB... grrr!

First, I'd tell your FFL to pound sand and release your property. If you've waited your 10 days then you're free and clear.

Failing that, can you borrow one from a friend? If you were closer I'd take a BB off one of my rifles and let you borrow a magazine just to get it out of gun jail. FFLs requiring this are just being general pains in the asses by covering their own.

My advice is to do future business with an FFL that knows the law -- I was all set to buy a lower from a place here in San Diego (Southern California Gun) and they tried to pull that same crap with me. I told them I wasn't going to support it and that they'd lost my sale as a result.

[thatsteveguy]

It's been a long day but here is the status now. The lower was DROS'ed today and I'm now in the waiting period. It was DROS'ed without the BB installed or Mag. When I walked into the FFL they were pretty busy and the girl who waited on me got the receiver, logged it in and then took my DROS paperwork, checked it over and took my thumbprint. I paid my money and she said she'd see me in 10 days. After the 10 days are up is it legally mine and the FFL can't make me modify it at that point?

[wildhawker]

It's been a long day but here is the status now. The lower was DROS'ed today and I'm now in the waiting period. It was DROS'ed without the BB installed or Mag. When I walked into the FFL they were pretty busy and the girl who waited on me got the receiver, logged it in and then took my DROS paperwork, checked it over and took my thumbprint. I paid my money and she said she'd see me in 10 days. After the 10 days are up is it legally mine and the FFL can't make me modify it at that point?

[Presuming you're not a prohibited person] It's legally yours now - you just can't possess it until the waiting period has elapsed.

If it's DROSed as a long gun, which it ought to be unless you're exempt from Roster requirements, there really isn't anything that should hold you up procedurally at pickup. That said, you may find multiple trips to the gun shop and the headaches more costly than buying or borrowing a BB, mag catch and mag and avoiding FFL drama.

[thatsteveguy]

[Presuming you're not a prohibited person]

Yep, legality is not a problem

If it's DROSed as a long gun, which it ought to be unless you're exempt from Roster requirements.

I'm figuring it was DROS'ed as a rifle since I told them I was building a dedicated .22 rifle from it and I'm not exempt from the requirements.

maybe let us know who it is to help prevent others from falling in to their trap.

At this point I want to see how this play's out in 9 days, if it goes south I'll post the FFL name for a heads up on her policy.

Thanks everyone for your insight and offers, it is appreciated.

[thatsteveguy]

Well I dropped by my FFL today after my 10 wait to pick up my complete lower and everything went smoothly. I was given the lower without any hassle after signing the last of the paperwork. The sales person who initially gave me the errant information saying that the gun shop would not release it without a bullet button was not there today and someone else helped me. Anyhow, it now resides safely at its new home. Thanks to all who gave me advice and encouragement.