H.R.17 Citizens Self Defense Act of 2009

[IrishPirate]

I searched all the forums I could think of and couldnt find this so I'm posting it. If it's already been done and my searching skills suck....sorry.

Anyways, H.R.17 is a bill I learned about early this year and since then haven't been able to find out what happened to it. The best info I've found says it's still being discussed and hasn't left the House of Representatives for the Senate yet. Hopefully it hasn't gotten struck down.

The Link: H.R.17 (from this site)

If you haven't heard about this, check it out, then contact your representative and tell them you want them to vote yes on H.R.17 (if it's still around). If you've already heard of it and done so....what's another phone call/email going to hurt?

[freakshow10mm]

(b) Firearm Defined- As used in subsection (a), the term ‘firearm’ means--

(1) a shotgun (as defined in section 921(a)(5) of title 18, United States Code);

(2) a rifle (as defined in section 921(a)(7) of title 18, United States Code); or

(3) a handgun (as defined in section 10 of Public Law 99-408).

Nope. Don't like it. No mention of NFA firearms.

[GrizzlyGuy]

My congressman (Tom McClintock, IMHO one of the best in all of Congress) is a co-sponsor. Looks like it has gone nowhere.

I forgot to ask him about it when he was up here meeting with constituents a couple weeks ago, although I did get some questions in about the FED, auditing it, getting rid of it, etc. Tom's on board. Now if we could just convince him to run for President...

[IrishPirate]

I've heard good things from lots of people about McClintock. My Rep Wally Herger (not that great IMHO) says he supports it too though i'm not sure if he's actually a co-sponsor. Freakshow, since it's still in the HR, maybe there's time to get NFAs added. It's dumb that things will get overlooked like that, but a few emails and phone calls could get it taken care of. This one could be a major victory for gun owners, and seeing as most people dont own NFA guns, i think it's still good. You're right though, NFA should be protected too.

[Shotgun Man]

Nope. Don't like it. No mention of NFA firearms.

Who cares that NFA items are not included? The bill would achieve an advancement of our 2A rights. Let not perfect be the enemy of good.

[Kid Stanislaus]

After the mid-term elections this sort of thing will do much better in Congress but will still be vetoed by BHO UNLESS the political heat is on and he see's it'll hurt him in 2012.

[CHS]

Who cares that NFA items are not included? The bill would achieve an advancement of our 2A rights. Let not perfect be the enemy of good.

I agree. Putting NFA items in there would most likely end up being a poison pill to people who would otherwise vote for it.

Advancing NFA is still a few years off.

[gun toting monkeyboy]

Baby steps people. We take lots of little steps, and in the not too distant future, it ain't us that's the frog in that pot of boiling water. There are many big brains with carefully laid out plans working on this if I am reading the tea leaves right. Once incorporation is in place, they are going to smack the snot out of the antis in court again and again and again.

[freakshow10mm]

Who cares that NFA items are not included? The bill would achieve an advancement of our 2A rights. Let not perfect be the enemy of good.

I care. A gun is a gun no matter what it shoots or how it shoots. This nit picking bull**** with "getting our gun rights back" is tiresome. Simple have it state "firearm as defined in 18 USC 922. Done. That includes both Title I and Title II weapons.

[EscapeFromCal]

My congressman (Tom McClintock, IMHO one of the best in all of Congress) is a co-sponsor

+1 Tom McClintock should have been our governor instead of Arnold. Talk about getting in the way of progress!

[k1dude]

Another +1 for McClintock. I voted for him for Governor and Congress. He's a good man with a good head on his shoulders.

[loather]

It's kind of sad that we have this law becoming necessary. Isn't that what the second amendment to the united states constitution ultimately grants to us? It should be noted that while self-defense is not an enumerated right as such, it's implicit with the phrase, "... life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness ..." -- if I'm in a situation where I need to use my second amendment rights to defend myself, I'm fairly certain that all three of the above would be in jeopardy.

Realistically though, in today's world you have to worry about the three being violated from both sides: the criminals who wish to deprive you of them, and the government who will try it's damnedest to deny them of you after you attempt to protect them. Sickening.

I dunno. Just a thought.

[Librarian]

I searched all the forums I could think of and couldnt find this so I'm posting it. If it's already been done and my searching skills suck....sorry.

Anyways, H.R.17 is a bill I learned about early this year and since then haven't been able to find out what happened to it. The best info I've found says it's still being discussed and hasn't left the House of Representatives for the Senate yet. Hopefully it hasn't gotten struck down.

The Link: H.R.17 (from this site)

If you haven't heard about this, check it out, then contact your representative and tell them you want them to vote yes on H.R.17 (if it's still around). If you've already heard of it and done so....what's another phone call/email going to hurt?

The best source for the status of Federal legislation is Thomas.loc.gov (someone already posted the link to the bill). The site does suffer from a time-lag problem when things are happening quickly, but I fear that's not avoidable.

[IrishPirate]

I care. A gun is a gun no matter what it shoots or how it shoots. This nit picking bull**** with "getting our gun rights back" is tiresome. Simple have it state "firearm as defined in 18 USC 922. Done. That includes both Title I and Title II weapons.

you're right, but if this passes it'll be ammo to get NFAs incorporated shortly after, once people realize that not including certain guns is wrong and unfairly limits our 2A rights.