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  • biko
    Junior Member
    • Sep 2008
    • 97

    Why is body armor restricted to LE/Military?

    True some retailers will sell to the average citizen but many dealers will not, restricting sales to LE/Military. Obviously the lawmakers are trying to keep out of criminal hands but in a way, this is even less rational than for guns.

    I am travelling by boat through central america and given the piracy (although I would describe it more as "home invasion") I would really like to get an Armorshield Zulu.
  • #2
    bigcalidave
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Jan 2009
    • 4489

    Seems like everyone sells to anyone these days. Who ISN'T selling to you? Have you seen bulletproofme.com ?
    ...

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    • #3
      badicedog
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2008
      • 3157

      Well for starters J & J armory refuses to sell dragonskin armor (level IV) to civilians and will only sell (level III) to civilians with a background check.
      "Americans used to roar like lions for liberty;now we bleat like sheep for security."

      ~ Norman Vincent Peale

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      • #4
        joelogic
        Calguns Addict
        • May 2008
        • 6592

        I think getting kidnapped is more likely than getting shot in Central America. Buy a concealable vest and kidnap insurance, just in case.
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        • #5
          badicedog
          Veteran Member
          • Jan 2008
          • 3157

          Why not just avoid it all together? If its for work, well that's different.
          "Americans used to roar like lions for liberty;now we bleat like sheep for security."

          ~ Norman Vincent Peale

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          • #6
            ke6guj
            Moderator
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Nov 2003
            • 23725

            Originally posted by badicedog
            Well for starters J & J armory refuses to sell dragonskin armor (level IV) to civilians and will only sell (level III) to civilians with a background check.
            that might be a condition of their dealer contract with dragonskin.
            Jack



            Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

            No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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            • #7
              aermotor
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              • Apr 2009
              • 2566

              Because we live among scared dictators.

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              • #8
                Dr.Mauser
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 1862

                North Hollywood anyone?
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                • #9
                  SJgunguy24
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • May 2008
                  • 14849

                  Originally posted by Dr.Mauser
                  North Hollywood anyone?
                  Those guy's were felons and restricted anyway, more proof thats laws are followed by everyone.

                  I got my vest at a police supply store that won't sell me a gun.
                  There are 3 kinds of people in this world.
                  The wise, learn from the mistakes of others.
                  The smart, learn from their own mistakes.
                  The others, well......they just never learn.

                  "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give Me Liberty, Or Give Me Death!"
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                  • #10
                    Mayhem
                    Member
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 197

                    Originally posted by Dr.Mauser
                    North Hollywood anyone?
                    North Hollywood gave us 12370

                    In California If you are a Convicted Felon you are Prohibited from purchasing or processing Body Armor.

                    12370. (a) Any person who has been convicted of a violent felony, as defined in subdivision (c) Section 667.5 under the laws of the United States, the State of California, or any other state, government, or country, who purchases, owns, or possesses body armor, as defined by Section 942 of Title 11 of the California Code of Regulations, except as authorized under subdivision (b), is guilty of a felony, punishable by imprisonment in a state prison for 16 months, or two or three years.
                    (b) Any person whose employment, livelihood, or safety is dependent on the ability to legally possess and use body armor, who is subject to the prohibition imposed by subdivision (a) due to a prior violent felony conviction, may file a petition with the chief of police or county sheriff of the jurisdiction in which he or she seeks to possess and use the body armor for an exception to this prohibition. The chief of police or sheriff may reduce or eliminate the prohibition, impose conditions on reduction or elimination of the prohibition, or otherwise grant relief from the prohibition as he or she deems appropriate, based on the following:
                    (1) A finding that the petitioner is likely to use body armor in a safe and lawful manner.
                    (2) A finding that the petitioner has a reasonable need for such protection under the circumstances.
                    In making its decision, the chief of police or sheriff shall consider the petitioner's continued employment, the interests of justice, any relevant evidence, and the totality of the circumstances. It is the intent of the Legislature that law enforcement officials exercise broad discretion in fashioning appropriate relief under this paragraph in cases in which relief is warranted. However, nothing in this paragraph shall be construed to require law enforcement officials to grant relief to any particular petitioner. Relief from this prohibition shall not relieve any other person or entity from any liability that might otherwise be imposed.
                    (c) The chief of police or sheriff shall require, as a condition of granting an exception under subdivision (b), that the petitioner agree to maintain on his or her person a certified copy of the law enforcement official's permission to possess and use body armor, including any conditions or limitations.
                    (d) Law enforcement officials who enforce the prohibition specified in subdivision (a) against a person who has been granted relief pursuant to subdivision (b), shall be immune from any liability for false arrest arising from the enforcement of this subdivision unless the person has in his or her possession a certified copy of the permission granting the person relief from the prohibition, as required by subdivision (c). This immunity from liability shall not relieve any person or entity from any other liability that might otherwise be imposed.
                    (e) For purposes of this section only, "violent felony" refers to the specific crimes listed in subdivision (c) of Section 667.5, and to crimes defined under the applicable laws of the United States or any other state, government, or country that are reasonably equivalent to the crimes listed in subdivision (c) of Section 667.5.
                    Not that this law can actually stop a criminal from getting body armor but realistically most criminals don't get body armor because it's fairly expensive (Bout the same cost as a gun) and they are not use to their victims being armed in the first place

                    However Most businesses have the right to refuse services to anyone. So technically they or the manufacturer can choose not to sell to non- LE/Military.
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                    • #11
                      N6ATF
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 8383

                      Rationing? They only have a certain amount of product, and their largest and most dependable buyer is the public sector, not private citizens, so they want to be able to fulfill all .gov orders.

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                      • #12
                        tombinghamthegreat
                        Veteran Member
                        • May 2007
                        • 2785

                        bulletproofme.com is one source, unsure about their products since i never bought one.
                        "Legitimate use of violence can only be that which is required in self-defense." Ron Paul
                        "The issue today is the same as it has been throughout all history, whether man shall be allowed to govern himself or be ruled by a small elite." - Thomas Jefferson
                        Originally posted by forumguy
                        The same way they enforce all the rest of the BS laws. Only criminals are exempt, while the honest obey.
                        Originally posted by bwiese
                        Sometimes I think the function of Calguns is half to refute bad info from gunshops and half to refute bad info from DOJ.

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                        • #13
                          Telperion
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 537

                          Originally posted by N6ATF
                          Rationing? They only have a certain amount of product, and their largest and most dependable buyer is the public sector, not private citizens, so they want to be able to fulfill all .gov orders.
                          Doesn't make sense - why not just let the price rise? They'll fill their orders AND make more money. Dealers who won't sell to some people must have the enviable luxury of being able to turn away paying customers.
                          Last edited by Telperion; 12-11-2009, 7:09 PM.
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                          • #14
                            engineers101st
                            Member
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 216

                            Is bulletproofme.com a good place to buy?

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                            • #15
                              M. Sage
                              Moderator Emeritus
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Jul 2006
                              • 19759

                              Originally posted by Telperion
                              Doesn't make sense - why not just let the price rise? They'll fill their orders AND make more money. Dealers who won't sell to some people must have the enviable luxury of being able to turn away paying customers.
                              Not necessarily. It's a product that has to be high quality and has a high amount of quality control. Selling more of it means that there would have to be more made or else there would be shortages. The supply is pretty finite.

                              The option to get all the orders filled would be to raise prices then use the extra money to expand output, but that often comes with the drawback of lower quality controls.
                              Originally posted by Deadbolt
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