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sfpcservice and cmth, all I can say is, click on the link I keep repeatedly posting. These topics have been answered and discusses ad nauseoum in that thread.
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Americans will be able to carry loaded guns in National Parks starting on February 22, 2010 thanks to the Coburn Amendment which was attached to the federal Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act of 2009 and signed by President Obama earlier this year. That Congressional mandate at Section 512 of the Act immunizes Americans from the National Park Service's gun carry ban provided that the gun carry does not violate any other state or federal law.
Most states allow both open and concealed carry of loaded firearms in public places, though typically concealed carry requires a state issued license. Another wrinkle is that some states regulate gun carry inside vehicles more strictly than gun carry on foot, while other states do the reverse.
Several recent news reports note surprise by some observers that the Coburn Amendment permits both concealed and open carry of firearms, including long guns, on National Park property. However the National Park Service seems to be taking things in stride.
According to National Park Spokesperson Phil Selleck, the Park Service is not going to go through any formal rulemaking process for each park. Instead said Selleck, the Service is going to work to "educate the public" and park employees on the gun carry rights in each park. Selleck said that federal law at 18 U.S.C. 930 continues to ban gun carry in "federal facilities," but advised that the Park Service does not consider unattended structures such as "outhouses" to be federal facilities because "employees are not regularly present there to perform official duties."
Gun rights organizers are not really surprised that the National Park Service is proactively moving forward to implement the new gun carry policy. They point to the fact that the Coburn Amendment simply implements the same policy which has long been in effect for National Forests and lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management.
But the gun rights community is pleased that gun carry is finally being legalized in National Parks, and not just because they won't have to disarm before entering outhouses. Kim Stolfer of the Allegheny County Sportsmen's League, a Pennsylvania gun rights group, told the Examiner.com that "this change is a long overdue" and that its "a relief that citizens will finally not have to risk prosecution should they decide to carry a firearm to protect themselves or their families and a National Park is somewhere in their travels."False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
-- Cesare Beccaria http://www.a-human-right.com/Comment
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There is also another category of property owned by the Feds. It is called a "National Preserve". It's almost like a National Park, but almost like BLM lands because they generally have low resource values. I believe Preserves came into being under Clinton? They have another set of rules attached to them.
For example, Mohave National Preserve is very large somewhat isolated area in So. Cal, and no target shooting is allowed, but hunting is allowed. Our Liberals friends are also suing in Supreme Court to take down a cross that was on this land for the dead Veterans before Clinton administration "preserved" it.Comment
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