LA Times calls for more gun control laws

[Oxnard_Montalvo]

Two things -

First, it's easy to torpedo the idea that eliminating firearms will somehow eliminate suicides. Two countries [Japan, England] both have no personal ownership of firearms [very few to none especially handguns] yet both countries have a high suicide rate despite no 'easy access' to firearms. So this fact support the theory that eliminating one method of suicide doesn't stop someone who is truly suicidal, it just makes them look for an alternate method.

Second - I loved this LA Times statement and the reply in the comment section

"It found that men were eight times as likely to shoot themselves over the 12 years after that first gun purchase than nongun owners."

To which 'mbsv' replied :

"You can always rely on the LA Times to post a meaningless truism to support their causes. Yes, people with guns are more likely to shoot themselves than people without guns because you cannot shoot yourself without a gun. In equal meaningless news, people without pools are less likely to be killed by drowning in a pool."

[warbird]

Playing devil's advocate maybe if stricter laws are enacted and the average citizen cannot invoke their 2A rights while dope users, criminals, mentally deranged, and other malcontents, who have access to illegal weapons, prey on them with impunity maybe they will get mad in the ballot box finally. The only shame will be the innocents that fall victim, including death, to these malcontents. I am having a hard time understanding why we are trying to get non-gun owners educated when it is obvious they do not care about themselves or their families.

[Colt]

LA Times has been the DNC house organ for about 45 years...

[M76]

LAT isn't fit for birdcage liner

[sigstroker]

Thank goodness more people don't hang themselves or we wouldn't be able to buy rope anywhere.

[TrappedinCalifornia]

Don't ever rely on logic and reason (which makes any sense) from the anti-civil liberties crowd. They live in an alternative reality; not necessarily an 'opposite' one, just a different one.

Would be funny if another group set up an Autonomous Zone around the Times building...gosh, we'd come help you Times, but with all the restrictions in CA, we'd be very under-gunned with only 10 round mags, featureless ARs with canted grips more suited for plinking, etc. Better let the police do it...oh, they quit or were defunded?

That's pretty much the thought process that Victor Davis Hanson expressed the other night. When will this whole fiasco regarding protests and defunding the police end?

"If it's going to end, it is when somebody very powerful ... I think probably white, affluent, progressive, calls up 911 and gets a busy signal. And then, then we're going to see something just like with #MeToo," Hanson said. "Once they went after liberal progressive celebrities and they denied them due process, statutes of limitation, cross-examination, suddenly we ended up with nobody believing Tara Reade anymore."

[BAJ475]

I did not read the study because IMHO doing so would be a waste of time. But I did find one interesting thing in reading the post in this thread. That was the prediction of a 3% rise in gun homicides if carry laws were relaxed. Every time a law abiding citizen, who is carrying, shoots and kills someone in self defense there is a gun homicide. So this sounds like a good thing not a bad thing. The question is how much this would reduce the overall violent crime rate. Hopefully, more than the 3% prediction!

[Jimi Jah]

Why is that disturbing? Just yesterday SCOTUS, the bastion of protecting the Constitution's Bill of Rights. Made it clear that the 2A is an outdated worthless waste of ink. That isn't worth their time to defend.

However, they did make time to legalize all the sanctuary cities and states. Apparently we now have 50 differing immigration systems here now.
Today Roberts legalized the Obama exec order on immigration. Now DACA is law of the land even though it was made up by Obama.

I don't want a gun case anywhere near this crew.

[godofgamblers]

I did not read the study because IMHO doing so would be a waste of time. But I did find one interesting thing in reading the post in this thread. That was the prediction of a 3% rise in gun homicides if carry laws were relaxed. Every time a law abiding citizen, who is carrying, shoots and kills someone in self defense there is a gun homicide. So this sounds like a good thing not a bad thing. The question is how much this would reduce the overall violent crime rate. Hopefully, more than the 3% prediction!

Yeah, it kind of is is a waste of time, but I had to do it due to my autistic nature. At least if studies like this are brought up you know what kind of things to retort with -- the study isn't a study, it's a simulation, we already have real world data and it doesn't match what the claims are, etc.

[sfvshooter]

Clickbait.

What's next, sky is blue?

[Fjold]

the New England Journal of Medicine tracked nearly 700,000 Californians who bought their first gun between 2004 and 2016, and followed them for up to 12 years and 2 months . It found that men were eight times as likely to shoot themselves over the 12 years after that first gun purchase than nongun owners.

Well Duh! Nongun owners don't have guns so of course they are less likely to shoot themselves!


People who buy bus passes are more likely to be injured or die in bus crashes.

[ja308]

Any advertisers we can avoid from this failed totalitarian propaganda rag ?

[Colt]

the New England Journal of Medicine tracked nearly 700,000 Californians who bought their first gun between 2004 and 2016, and followed them for up to 12 years and 2 months . It found that men were eight times as likely to shoot themselves over the 12 years after that first gun purchase than nongun owners.

Well Duh! Nongun owners don't have guns so of course they are less likely to shoot themselves!


People who buy bus passes are more likely to be injured or die in bus crashes.

Well, 60% of firearm deaths are suicides - but the study probably doesn’t differentiate, and LAT probably wants to make it sound like they are all NDs.

[starlight]

- let LA be LA

- and let CA be CA








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[uscscjohn]

However, they did make time to legalize all the sanctuary cities and states. Apparently we now have 50 differing immigration systems here now.
Today Roberts legalized the Obama exec order on immigration. Now DACA is law of the land even though it was made up by Obama.

I don't want a gun case anywhere near this crew.

Sad but true. Roberts is too political to take up the issue. If forced to take it up he would gut the 2A.