Hunting w/ Felon as observer

[Chris M]

Unless fish and game pop up right as the Non licensed guy is shooting, which it doesn't look like the case since he is not going to be given the opportunity to have control of the shot gun.

How is anyone to know the guy has a felony history?

Last time i checked they didn't tattoo your forehead with "Convicted Felon"

Let him tag along and keep possession of your firearm.

If he likes it help him do up the paperwork to restore his rights if possible.

Every time i go out and get checked its:
ID
Hunting Licence
Tag
Please.

Nothing else, kind of hard to run a full blown background in the middle of no where.

I understand the likelihood of coming across one of the few game wardens in this state, in a public hunting area that's out in the middle of no where, is very low. My take on it is, I know it's illegal; he knows it's illegal. We're not going to break the law just because "no one's looking".

Also, advocating illegal activities on a public forum may not be the brightest idea.

If he enjoys the experience, I will encourage him to buy a bow and attend the hunter safety course.

[Chris M]

To be on the safe side:

1 Make sure you drive YOUR vehicle not his. If stopped in his vehicle, the police can make a case that the contents of the vehicle are his.

2 Put the locked case in the trunk. If it is in a pickup truck, suv, stationwagon, etc. the police can try to make a case for joint possession, since either one of you could reach around an have access to it, regardless of the lock.

A good atty can probably beat either of these scenarios, but why take chances. As always, make sure your registration is current, and obey all traffic laws to reduce the chances of being stopped. If your local PD posts locations of DUI checkpoints ahead of time, it would be advisable to avoid them as well.

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, I'll be taking my pickup, which doesn't have any cover over the bed. The shotgun will have to remain in the locked case in the back seat. I don't think there would be much difference if it were in a trunk anyways - all that would stand between him and the locked container is a small lever, a button on the remote, or to fold the back of the rear seat down.

[Hoop]

I think as long as he doesn't touch it you are fine. Now if it was in his car or he was carrying it around that might be different.

[beerup949]

I'm not going to be breaking any laws. I understand where you're coming from, but as a Christian, I follow the council at Romans 13:1,2, "Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities...the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God...he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God."

I don't want to turn this into a religious discussion; I was just letting you know why I choose not to break the law, no matter how minor it may seem.

Besides, if he enjoys it, there's nothing stopping him from getting his license and buying a bow. Heck, even a .22 cal Air rifle is legal for taking turkey.

Isn't this quote or something similar Hitler told the churches or priests to say to help control the people? I have also heard similar stories in the states now with priests being contacted by gov to help in a similar way. Hmmm....

[ilbob]

I own the book "How to own a gun and stay out of jail", and have read the laws regarding possession, but have never seen anything along the lines of "Felons can not be in a vehicle that has a locked firearm in it." If you can provide further information, it would be much appreciated.

It is often a condition of parole or probation though.

[LOW2000]

If he is not on parole or probation he should be fine. If he weren't allowed to be near a gun, or in the same vehicle as a gun that is in a locked case, then how could he get on a plane or something that may have another passenger with a gun that was checked in?

People on parole or probation may have a stricter set of rules placed on him, but since you said he was past that, it is strict possession. Have a safe hunt.

[Chris M]

Isn't this quote or something similar Hitler told the churches or priests to say to help control the people? I have also heard similar stories in the states now with priests being contacted by gov to help in a similar way. Hmmm....

Off topic. I have my (bible-based) reasons for obeying 'mans' law to the extent that it doesn't conflict with God's law. I'm not going to get into details on here.

Have a safe hunt.

Thanks!

[nhanson]

Proximity while on parole is much different (on parole you have no rights, your just not behind bars) than when you completely clear off your punishment. The records systems drop people off the "casual" list after they have been clear for 5 years and the only way to find about a pervious felony is through the more extensive NICS database. Casual traffics stop and ID do not utilize the NICS, they rely on an abbreviated (nothing older than 5 years, subset mostly with the state. Unless there is felony suspicion, the casual LEO inquiry will not ID your friend as a felon.

Ownership and possession are denied but, you get stopped.....they check your ID not your passenger unless it is a "felony" stop. Does not sound like you are up to any felony just don't hand him your gun.

[Chris M]

Proximity while on parole is much different (on parole you have no rights, your just not behind bars) than when you completely clear off your punishment. The records systems drop people off the "casual" list after they have been clear for 5 years and the only way to find about a pervious felony is through the more extensive NICS database. Casual traffics stop and ID do not utilize the NICS, they rely on an abbreviated (nothing older than 5 years, subset mostly with the state. Unless there is felony suspicion, the casual LEO inquiry will not ID your friend as a felon.

Ownership and possession are denied but, you get stopped.....they check your ID not your passenger unless it is a "felony" stop. Does not sound like you are up to any felony just don't hand him your gun.

I appreciate the additional info. I'll talk it over with him tonight, and make sure we're both on the same page. Thanks!

[beerup949]

Off topic. I have my (bible-based) reasons for obeying 'mans' law to the extent that it doesn't conflict with God's law. I'm not going to get into details on here.




Thanks!

I agree with you...But I was just saying watch out because this did happen in the past and history repeats itself. Don't confuse gov with god etc. You are your own person and we are all created equal.