Ban On All Semi-Auto Rifles?

[pistol3]

I wonder how they will do it. Expand the definition of assault weapon to include all semi-auto rifles with detachable magazines? All semi-auto rifles period?

If they can get away with banning all semi-auto rifles, that will really just leave bolt action rifles and pump shotguns. Handguns are being banned through the roster and micro-stamping requirement. I've got to think pump shotguns will be the next target.

[jasonem]

Yes I don't see why they can't get away with it at this point. Look, most people don't want to put themselves out there to spark real change. These are the gun owners today in California. Let's face it, as Californians we are a bunch of softies. We don't have the backbone and grit like other gun owners in Texas for example. You try to pull this junk in Texas the citizens would be in an uproar...heck their local government would be too scared to pull that crap. But over here, they test us, and we don't do anything. They bite here, and bite there slowly eating at every gun right we have, and we stand pat and take it. We whine on a forum, talk about this law, that law, find loopholes, give money to lobbyists and hope things will get better. The reality is we got no backbone as gun owners here. If we had a backbone we would of done something a long time ago and got these guys scared. But right now they know they can take all our guns and we won't do anything about it. It's the truth, we are all soft, and if we were not so soft, they couldn't take our gun rights like taking candy from a baby. We deserve what we are getting because we let this happen. It's the cold hard truth of the matter.

[inferno999]

Ban On All Semi-Auto Rifles?

@Deisel,
Yes. Exactly. "What's your plan" ... so much big talk on here but I really doubt anyone is actually going to go out in a blaze of glory to "defend their right to keep arms" in CA

@Glockman19,
So that's your plan? Quoting the constitution at them? Lol. Good luck with that. More big talk.

@jasonem,
I would absolutely put myself out there if it came to civil war, like it did for our forefathers. But keep in mind, we aren't on the winning side like they were - we are the minority...by a HUGE margin. And we aren't talking civil war - we're talking about wanting to keep our toys (presumably in preparation for the civil war). If and when confiscation happens, I'll do what I can to evade, but I'm not so high on my own sense of patriotism that I believe any of us will be shooting cops from the rooftops, shouting quotes from the bill of rights.

We aren't losing this battle for gun rights because we don't fight ... we are losing because we are the minority. Plain and simple. Gov can take all they want and non-gun Californians let them. *we* don't let them, but we aren't big enough to stop them. But what's a backbone gonna do - and by backbone I assume you mean "willingness to shoot at the cops who aim to take your guns"... cause that's what it's going to come down to; and I ain't playing that game. I already know I'd lose.

So what's your plan again?



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[zerodameaon]

Handguns are being banned through the roster and micro-stamping requirement. I've got to think pump shotguns will be the next target.

That's the logical step but it's already been ruled constitutional only on the grounds that they don't limit our handgun purchasing list to much. If they were to knock all handguns off the list tomorrow we would have good grounds to stand on to get the whole thing tossed out. Or that's what those more informed say anyways.

[jasonem]

@Deisel,
Yes. Exactly. "What's your plan" ... so much big talk on here but I really doubt anyone is actually going to go out in a blaze of glory to "defend their right to keep arms" in CA

@Glockman19,
So that's your plan? Quoting the constitution at them? Lol. Good luck with that. More big talk.

@jasonem,
I would absolutely put myself out there if it came to civil war, like it did for our forefathers. But keep in mind, we aren't on the winning side like they were - we are the minority...by a HUGE margin. And we aren't talking civil war - we're talking about wanting to keep our toys (presumably in preparation for the civil war). If and when confiscation happens, I'll do what I can to evade, but I'm not so high on my own sense of patriotism that I believe any of us will be shooting cops from the rooftops, shouting quotes from the bill of rights.

We aren't losing this battle for gun rights because we don't fight ... we are losing because we are the minority. Plain and simple. Gov can take all they want and non-gun Californians let them. *we* don't let them, but we aren't big enough to stop them. But what's a backbone gonna do - and by backbone I assume you mean "willingness to shoot at the cops who aim to take your guns"... cause that's what it's going to come down to; and I ain't playing that game. I already know I'd lose.

So what's your plan again?



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You'd lose because the 99% of gun owners in this state are too soft and wouldn't do what you would do. If every single gun owner in this state marched to sacramento with their rifle or pistol exposed just as a statement...bring your families, kids, etc. What do you think would happen? I'm talking thousands of armed people marching on the capital with whatever rifle or gun they had as a peaceful demonstration and as a show of power what could be done...you wouldn't have to kill any cops in this process. I'm telling you, cops wouldn't enforce squat in that situation. Let me tell you what would happen, there would be some serious change in this state, and we would be taken more seriously. But we don't have balls in this state, we are soft. My plan is to keep taking it in the butt like the rest of you, hope they use some lube(allow 10 round mags, and a few pistols on the roster) etc. Just hope they go slow too, that will help ease the pain a little.

[9M62]

No, we're losing the battle on gun rights because we have a group of dishonest and corrupt judges who refuse to hold true to their oath and objectively assert the U.S. and California Constitutions.

Our majority or minority doesn't matter. They're dishonest and crooked and refuse to do what they are supposed to do.

That is why we are losing, and why California is *lost*.

[pistol3]

You'd lose because the 99% of gun owners in this state are too soft and wouldn't do what you would do. If every single gun owner in this state marched to sacramento with their rifle or pistol exposed just as a statement...bring your families, kids, etc. What do you think would happen? I'm talking thousands of armed people marching on the capital with whatever rifle or gun they had as a peaceful demonstration and as a show of power what could be done...you wouldn't have to kill any cops in this process. I'm telling you, cops wouldn't enforce squat in that situation. Let me tell you what would happen, there would be some serious change in this state, and we would be taken more seriously. But we don't have balls in this state, we are soft. My plan is to keep taking it in the butt like the rest of you, hope they use some lube(allow 10 round mags, and a few pistols on the roster) etc. Just hope they go slow too, that will help ease the pain a little.

There would be tons of LEOs everywhere, taking pictures, recording license plate numbers. The arrests would come later.

[myk]

Why would we kill cops? Its the politicans that are responsible.

Because Nancy Pelosi won't come for your guns, the cops will...

[Wiz-of-Awd]

I will NOT register. I will NOT comply. I will NOT move.

Your list of "will not" leaves you three options.

You WILL hide, or...
You WILL openly commit felonies, or...
You WILL fight.

A.W.D.

[11B30]

HELL NO!

so register your defined AW this next year or register your SACF in two years. the choice is yours.

oh wait, you will convert your "featureless" into a bolt action, yeah that will show them whos the boss.

I dont get this mentality of hiding guns in an attic or in a hole as if one day SEAL Team -6 is gonna call you up AND ASK YOU to come join them in the fight against Sacramento Democrats. So you will need to have your own AR15. Do you really think this is gonna happen? Do you really think there will be armed conflict in the streets of Ca, where the only firearms civilians have are the ones that a few guys hide under the floor boards of their garage?

Please answer me, if Sacramento issued a ruling that all firearms are banned and everyone must turn in all firearm, explain to me why you feel the murder of LEO is then justified. Are you going to grab your rifle and start murdering cops? Please explain this too me.

You live in a State that will continue to ban firearms until a Court tells them to stop.

1- Register your firearms so you can continue to use them to defend yourself from criminals without the fear of a felony conviction. Continue to fight the A-holes who are passing these laws IN THE COURTS.

2- Get out of California.

the choice is yours.

1. I will NOT register my firearms . . . PERIOD!
2. Hell ya I am getting out of ga damn occupied Kaliforniastan!
3. Nevada I will go, later when I retire in two years will be the Free State of Arizona.
4. Not going to be a sheep lead to the slaughterhouse! But be a sheepdog and regroup in a pro 2nd Amendment State.
5. Continue the fight that maybe one day we or those of you that are young, can liberate occupied Kaliforniastan.

[oilcanhenry]

Prediction: These corrupt union-owned political hacks will simply ban anything chambered in 5.56 - Much easier than trying to ban all the different variations of semi-auto rifles. A la .50BMG.

Wait and see. The AW registration bullcrap was just a precursor to banning by caliber.....

Utter nonsense. You are assuming that since the AR is usually chambered for 5.56 that that is the only caliber that they would ban?

There is absolutely nothing stopping them from banning ALL semi-automatics.

Once Newsom is Gov, all bets are off. You'll wish Brown was still da' Governor.

[dieselpower]

The PLAN is to Exercise my Inalienable Rights as Enumerated in both the California and National Constitutions.

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION

ARTICLE I DECLARATION OF RIGHTS

SECTION 1. All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy.

SECTION 7. (a) A person may not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law or denied equal protection of the laws; provided, that nothing contained herein or elsewhere in this Constitution imposes upon the State of California or any public entity, board, or official any obligations or responsibilities which exceed those imposed by the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution with respect to the use of pupil school assignment or pupil transportation.

SECTION 19. (a) Private property may be taken or damaged for a public use and only when just compensation, ascertained by a jury unless waived, has first been paid to, or into court for, the owner.

BILL OF RIGHTS

Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I will NOT register. I will NOT comply. I will NOT move.

If the Founding Fathers thought like you we would be subjects today.

If any ACTOR of the STATE comes to take my lawfully owned property without Due Process, I will exercise my Inalienable Rights to defend my life, while possessing, and protect my property, and obtaining safety...By use of a firearm.

So Glockman19's plan is to start shooting LEO, fathers, mothers, husbands, sons and daughters, because he wants to keep his firearms and not move to a place that is not ruled by idiots.

Great man you have chosen your path in life.

You'd lose because the 99% of gun owners in this state are too soft and wouldn't do what you would do. If every single gun owner in this state marched to sacramento with their rifle or pistol exposed just as a statement...bring your families, kids, etc. What do you think would happen? I'm talking thousands of armed people marching on the capital with whatever rifle or gun they had as a peaceful demonstration and as a show of power what could be done...you wouldn't have to kill any cops in this process. I'm telling you, cops wouldn't enforce squat in that situation. Let me tell you what would happen, there would be some serious change in this state, and we would be taken more seriously. But we don't have balls in this state, we are soft. My plan is to keep taking it in the butt like the rest of you, hope they use some lube(allow 10 round mags, and a few pistols on the roster) etc. Just hope they go slow too, that will help ease the pain a little.

Still more talk and no real plan. I agree with much of this, but again you got no real plan. sorry I misread your last sentence, your plan is to register, comply and not move when those two choices are also taken away.

Your list of "will not" leaves you three options.

You WILL hide, or...
You WILL openly commit felonies, or...
You WILL fight.

A.W.D.

this needs to be re-worded so the plan is exposed.
1- Hide = keeping a firearm and never using it for no good reason.
2- committing a felony leads to loss of all gun rights even if you move to a free state. All felony convictions are valid in all states
3- Fight = murdering of LEO

1. I will NOT register my firearms . . . PERIOD!
2. Hell ya I am getting out of ga damn occupied Kaliforniastan!
3. Nevada I will go, later when I retire in two years will be the Free State of Arizona.
4. Not going to be a sheep lead to the slaughterhouse! But be a sheepdog and regroup in a pro 2nd Amendment State.
5. Continue the fight that maybe one day we or those of you that are young, can liberate occupied Kaliforniastan.

a valid plan.

[ironpegasus]

Why would we kill cops? Its the politicans that are responsible.

I think the hope is to avoid killing anyone. But if it comes down to it, those going door-to-door for confiscation, arrests, etc. will probably not be politicians but instead the honorless, unfaithful to their oath to the constitution, "I was just following orders" type of police officer (enforcer thug) that every despotic regime seems to be able to find in abundance. Those who will oppress their fellow citizens in return for special benefits for themselves. If those are the ones coming after you with weapons drawn, then they are likely the ones you wind up exchanging fire with. I don't know about everyone else, but if someone's trying to kill me, I'd be doing my level best to kill them right back.

But to your point, yes, the politicians are responsible for the laws being passed in the first place. No need to execute them as an example - that just begins (or continues) the cycle of violence. Tar them, feather them and exile them to somewhere barren like the Farallon Islands and ban them from returning upon pain of death.

[glockman19]

So Glockman19's plan is to start shooting LEO, fathers, mothers, husbands, sons and daughters, because he wants to keep his firearms and not move to a place that is not ruled by idiots.

Great man you have chosen your path in life.



Still more talk and no real plan. I agree with much of this, but again you got no real plan. sorry I misread your last sentence, your plan is to register, comply and not move when those two choices are also taken away.



this needs to be re-worded so the plan is exposed.
1- Hide = keeping a firearm and never using it for no good reason.
2- committing a felony leads to loss of all gun rights even if you move to a free state. All felony convictions are valid in all states
3- Fight = murdering of LEO



a valid plan.

Yes. I will fight for my rights. Yes if provoked I will defend myself, and my property with firearms. Yes I'll shoot anyone who under color of law attempts to steal my property.
My line in the sand has been drawn. Want to test my resolve? Bring it on.
I am saddened by the lack of fortitude and conviction of members who run away.
I never took the oath to protect and defend this country from all enemies foreign and domestic, but I adhere to its values and will act accordingly.
Politicians that exceed their authority must be shown the limits of that authority.

[WARFAB]

So Glockman19's plan is to start shooting LEO, fathers, mothers, husbands, sons and daughters, because he wants to keep his firearms and not move to a place that is not ruled by idiots.

Way to present nothing but false choices.

The whole point is/was/should have been to never let it get to that point. Nip this stuff in the bud before it can get out of hand. And if you think violence is the only way you can nip it in the bud you haven't been paying much attention to world events for the past 75 years.

Perhaps the problem is that when you only have a hammer, everything looks like a nail? You're a gun owner so you assume the only thing gun owners can do it start shooting the place up? Way to stereotype yourself.

Unfortunately this is all a few thousand days late and however many dollars short for California. You guys didn't nip it in the bud and you're unwilling to stand together in defiance. I guess it just sucks to live in California if you like to be able to defend yourself.