Koppel v Bonta: 2023 denial of CCW, Orange Co

[JDoe]

Agree.

It should be as simple as:[S]
1. Take your training/qualificaiton.
2. Do your picture, background check, and livescan on the same day.
3. Pickup your CCW a week later.[/S]

1. Carry wherever you please, just like the criminals. Because it?s a right, not a privilege.

FIFY


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[SpudmanWP]

Banning carry in "Certain" places passes the THT test, but for a vast majority of the State, it should be a thing.

Next up, National Reciprocity.

[Drivedabizness]

Agree.

It should be as simple as:
1. Take your training/qualificaiton.
2. Do your picture, background check, and livescan on the same day.
3. Pickup your CCW a week later.

I disagree.

DOJ is completely F'd up - on purpose. They will NEVER timely process background checks.

DMV handles, not just DL's, bur registrations, organ donor, veteran status, regular & custom plates, handicap status, etc.

Those are disparate systems but they still manage to do a decent job. We should be able to upload to DMV and get the permit in the mail (or brave the DMV in person).

[darkwater34]

Also did not have to register my Semiautomatic Armalite Style Rifle as an assault weapon. California has bamboozled ya all into thinking a Semiautomatic Rifle is an assault weapon. Why so many of you go to bed at night as law abiding citizens only to wakeup the next morning to find yourselves criminals. GO WOKE end up BROKE.

[darkwater34]

To get my CCW I had to pay $90.00 for the CCW CLASS $60.00 for submitting the CCW APLICATION wait one week for approval and one week to reach my mail box. So far saved $125.00 in background checks.
Sell your house move to Arizona BUT leave your WOKE *** ideas in California. No one should ever have to litigate for their Constitutional Rights.

[gumby]

To get my CCW I had to pay $90.00 for the CCW CLASS $60.00 for submitting the CCW APLICATION wait one week for approval and one week to reach my mail box. So far saved $125.00 in background checks.
Sell your house move to Arizona BUT leave your WOKE *** ideas in California. No one should ever have to litigate for their Constitutional Rights.

With judges like Thompson, Arizona has gone Democrat.

[BAJ475]

Yes I misunderstood what I read. A 4473 is filled out but a background check isn't run if the buyer has a CCW, in AZ.

Same in Alaska, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas, West Virginia and Wyoming.

[Librarian]

Let us at least try to stay on the topic of CA CCW.

[SkyHawk]

I thought they (IAs) could not select individuals for CCW psych eval - it was all or none?

[9Cal_OC]

I thought they (IAs) could not select individuals for CCW psych eval - it was all or none?

The IA a has discretion. For OC, it?s not required as part of the process. Likely he had some mental health in his BC that triggered the IA to request it.

Seems to be a case-by-case basis.

[Chewy65]

The IA a has discretion. For OC, it?s not required as part of the process. Likely he had some mental health in his BC that triggered the IA to request it.

Seems to be a case-by-case basis.

You think the IA had to appraise facts, exercise judment, and form an opinion? Para. 36 of the complaint.

36. Somehow the Attorney General managed to ignore Bruen?s concern with licensing regimes that ?appear to contain only ?narrow, objective, and definite standards? guiding licensing officials, Shuttlesworth v. Birmingham, 394 U.S. 147, 151, 89 S.Ct. 935, 22 L.Ed.2d 162 (1969), rather than requiring the ?appraisal of facts, the exercise of judgment, and the formation of an opinion,? Cantwell v. Connecticut, 310 U.S. 296, 305, 60 S.Ct. 900, 84 L.Ed. 1213 (1940)?features that typify proper-cause standards like New York?s? may-issue regime.6 The Attorney General certainly didn?t hesitate to encourage Police Chiefs and Sheriffs to exercise their unbound judgment to find reasons to deny a Constitutionally protected right.

[pacrat]

I seem to remember a few yrs back. There was a suit regarding an IA in the bay area. Where the complaint was similar in relation to the arbitrary and inequitable manner the IA targeted only certain individuals for psych evals.

Resulting in a finding that [all or none] was set as precedence.

Please feel free to correct me if my memory isn't accurate.

[Ocdlaw]

OC has issued thousands and thousands of permits and I'm not aware of anyone being asked to take a psych exam. I know I wasn't nor were at least 50 other CCW holders that I know of. This is just weird.

[darkwater34]

Yes if this is true I find it most weird. Also don't see the fairness in this practice. Law enforcement officers I don't think they have to submit to a psych examination, unless they show signs of being a mental defective person. A lot of these people usually have to report to a psych counselor. So if this psych exam thing is going to be the norm why does it not apply to law enforcement officers. I know a lot of people are weeded out during academy training at the police and sheriff level but I am pretty sure a few slip through the cracks

[pacrat]

Yes if this is true I find it most weird. Also don't see the fairness in this practice. Law enforcement officers I don't think they have to submit to a psych examination, unless they show signs of being a mental defective person. A lot of these people usually have to report to a psych counselor. So if this psych exam thing is going to be the norm why does it not apply to law enforcement officers. I know a lot of people are weeded out during academy training at the police and sheriff level but I am pretty sure a few slip through the cracks

Most agencies [maybe all?] require a psych eval as part of the application process, before they are even accepted for the academy.