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  • Bisley
    Member
    • Oct 2018
    • 196

    Weekend Coyote Hunt

    I am very new here as I was encouraged by a member (Shoot-it) on here to join and post. I have had quite a bit of success in smaller caliber lead free load development and he mentioned there was much about that on here. Anyway, this is from last weekend when I was invited when I was graciously invited to go to the Central Valley and do some hunting with him. This is cut and pasted from another forum and I have removed the two pics of the lead free wounds as I am not yet exactly positive on what is and isn't acceptable as far as that goes. I did not post them on the other forum to be graphic, but rather to show the results of the lead free versus leaded. That being said, here is the post, thanks for reading,

    I went out this holiday weekend to visit my "other brother" John (Shoot-it). We were going to shoot some squirrels with my new 17HMR as well as make some stands for some four legged furries.

    Saturday was mostly shooting squirrels and a couple blank stands. Sunday started with another stand, but we blanked out again. Hard to believe because this orchard looked like an international coyote and raccoon highway. There were fresh tracks everywhere, but nothing coming in. John came to believe they have to be moving around in the dark. Luckily I also happened to have some equipment just for that.

    We left Sunday evening in the dark and I told him he needs to make something "postworthy" happen lol. He did! We were less than 10 minutes deep on the previous orchard again when eyes were spotted. He tapped me, I turned, and after I FINALLY found it in his kill light I put a 50gr Nosler LFBT in her right side as she was standing broadside. Sweet! I thought I was going to give him a heart attack when I couldn't find it :unsure:. He said we should keep calling, and we did. Raccoon fight was still playing and a pair of eyes were spotted again moments afterward! It goes flying by us and it was small, but I could hear the sound of the plastic on my caller being hit and attacked. He thought it was a fox because it was so fast but it was a damn raccoon. Muted the call and threw dirt clouds at it until it lost interest and left. We stayed and a few moments later ANOTHER pair of raccoons were coming in! Muted before they attacked it and they quickly lost interest. Decided to keep raccoon fight on since it was bringing things in and just moments later we see more eyes!!! He lit it up and both said it was a gray fox, not open for two more weeks, so it got a pass. Same call still playing and like one minute later eyes again near where we just saw the fox. John lights it up and starts whispering "coyote!, SHOOT IT. I wasn't sure if it was that same fox or not? But after realizing he was about to rip the rifle from my hands I let a shot fly and drop another coyote. We decided to leave that stand after that.

    I laughed all the way to his house telling him that orchard was like a regular wildlife petting zoo, full of critters just wanting to come up to us :lol:

    First one was a large female. The 22-250 put a hole in her I could get three fingers into, almost four with no exit! She flopped a couple times (I don't know how?)



    The second one was a young female. she was looking our way when I put one into her neck. She got up and tried to take a step when her leg gave out but she kept trying. Again, I have no idea how?!?! But at night I could not take any chances so I did put one more into the chest just in front of the leg. And again, a huge hole in what used to be the jugular.



    One thing I have learned about doing this at night is that you have even less time to drop them than you do in the daytime because you can lose them in the light in a nanosecond! You pretty much have to pull the trigger when your crosshairs get close and trust your instincts, and don't be afraid to shoot again because finding them even when you know where they are is tough. But what a rush!!! Seeing eyes light up out of nowhere is enough to make a dead man's heart race.

    Thank you once again Johnny for everything! As always I had more fun than I should be allowed to. You definitely know your stuff. This is yet another one of those pictures that I will forever look at and smile

  • #2
    The Papa
    Member
    • Dec 2016
    • 439

    Welcome to CG! Thanks for sharing!

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    • #3
      huntingsocal
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2012
      • 2318

      Welcome to calguns, hell of a first post

      Nice break from the usual “hey I want to start hunting can you guys tell me where all the good spots are?”
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      • #4
        Dragginpanda
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2014
        • 521

        Great job!

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        • #5
          Bisley
          Member
          • Oct 2018
          • 196

          Thank you gentlemen. First dogs with both the new (to me) caller and new AR 22-250. Kind of a shallow wound with the 50 grain Lead Free Noslers. Maybe because they were close? Hoping to try the 55 grain Lead Free Noslers in the AR 243 soon as well as the new lead free Lehigh Defense in the 264LBC.




          Originally posted by huntingsocal
          Welcome to calguns, hell of a first post

          Nice break from the usual “hey I want to start hunting can you guys tell me where all the good spots are?”
          I see we have the same internet pet peeves. I assure you that after 3 decades of hunting I have my spots and you will never have to hear that fro me.

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          • #6
            Shoot-it
            Calguns Addict
            • Dec 2005
            • 5165

            You can post the wound channel kestrel never said anything about graphic pictures as of yet.
            It was a fun night I really liked that remote on the shock wave bigger letters I can see and how the sounds are categorized they are easy to find ,
            No reason those coyotes should have flopped around those rounds are way to fragile imo..
            Originally Posted by olhunter View Post
            I prefer to not mount the fat ones.
            Nice racks are much better. You can grab both sides of the rack to help stabilize while mounting.
            ProShooter's
            You'd never guess that human beings are apex predators reading some of the weepy vaginas in this thread, it's a moose people, who cares.

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            • #7
              capitol
              Veteran Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 2503

              I luv it when your hunting with a partner and hear the "psst" or tap on the shoulder meaning somethings coming in etc.

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              • #8
                Bisley
                Member
                • Oct 2018
                • 196

                Originally posted by capitol
                I luv it when your hunting with a partner and hear the "psst" or tap on the shoulder meaning somethings coming in etc.
                Isn't that the truth! Recently starting to night hunt I have to say that the red glow of the eyes and only being able to make out a silhouette under light in a completely dark field does much the same!

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                • #9
                  Bisley
                  Member
                  • Oct 2018
                  • 196

                  Ok, here are a couple of pics and a little of what we have taken away from our experience. If they are inappropriate I apologize and please remove. Visually is the best way I know of to let y'all know results found with this dang lead free stuff.

                  These are the last two taken, the ones in the above post. I can fit nearly four of my sausage fingers into each hole. The good news is that there was no exit hole. This is kind of important because were in an orchard with structures and water manifolds all over.

                  [url=https://flic.kr/p/QH4QYU]



                  The one shot behind the shoulder tried to get up, but never made it, The one hit in the neck however did get up for a second, but fell. I did put one more into it because it is way to easy to lose them at night. These 50 grain Nosler Lead Free Ballistic Tip are very, very frangible. This is what is on the inside of them. Curiosity got the better of me, so I had to find out what was in them.

                  [url=https://flic.kr/p/R1e4Sh]


                  Now these were shot out of a .22-250 so I can't help but wonder if maybe the lower speeds of a .223 might help it penetrate a little better as well as splash a little less? Only one way to find out I suppose.

                  My only other option is a monolithic bullet like the e-tip or GMX. The only problem with those are that they are designed to penetrate and keep going. Not a great idea with structure around or in the dark when you cant see farm equipment and such behind them. In an open desert or in the daytime it would not make any difference. So I think I will try to develop a monolithic load for those situations and continue with these bullets at night. Just for example, this was shot at just under 200 yards with a GMX in the .243. You can see it went right on through and then some. Fine for where we were at, but a huge deal breaker in an orchard.





                  The other option I have loaded, but yet to shoot, is a nice mix of both. I prefer gilded metal (a copper alloy, not pure copper) because of less fouling issues, but may have to use pure copper if this works. These are Lehigh Defense Controlled Chaos bullets and they are designed to shed their petals while still allowing just the base to penetrate. It is a great idea, and I hope to see how they work very soon. If you are interested I will keep you posted on them?

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                  • #10
                    capitol
                    Veteran Member
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 2503

                    The 50 grain Nosler Lead Free Ballistic Tip is what I load. Your picture of whats inside is interesting.

                    The wound with your fingers inside is what I call a splash hit. When I used 204 39gr Sierra BlitzKing bullets for Coyotes I would get "splashes" all the time. Some would run or spin, but never DRT. So, I stopped playing around and started using a 55gr NBT 243 and no more spinners/runners.

                    The 50 grain Nosler Lead Free Ballistic Tip is what I use for fox and bobcat and has worked well.

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                    • #11
                      Bisley
                      Member
                      • Oct 2018
                      • 196

                      Definitely a splash hit, at least of kinds, but they didn't run or spin. They hit the ground, and hard actually! That is a lot of complete energy transfer. But they did ever so slowly try to get back up. The second one also did a flop or two, but not too bad. I just wish it penetrated just a hair more. Hoping the Lehigh Defense cure this problem.

                      Unfortunately the NBT's are no longer an option in most places I hunt, and not an option anywhere in another 8 months.

                      If you think the NLFBT pic was interesting you should see this one. This is the internals of a Hornady NTX 35gr .223 bullet. It looked almost like red brick dust. They didn't give me the same splash effect, but it wasn't the great results I have heard of. And awful light for my liking. It was a chest shot around 50 yards but it did try to get up as well but couldn't.







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                      • #12
                        USMCM16A2
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 4941

                        Bisley,


                        Great shooting! A2

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                        • #13
                          Shoot-it
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 5165

                          Originally Posted by olhunter View Post
                          I prefer to not mount the fat ones.
                          Nice racks are much better. You can grab both sides of the rack to help stabilize while mounting.
                          ProShooter's
                          You'd never guess that human beings are apex predators reading some of the weepy vaginas in this thread, it's a moose people, who cares.

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                          • #14
                            Bisley
                            Member
                            • Oct 2018
                            • 196

                            Thank you A2.

                            I don't think I would be worried about shooting the NTX in a .223 again, but I am not sure about the .22-250. Accuracy has been superb with both the NTX and the NLFBT. I am really curious to see how those Lehigh Defense work out. That may be just the ticket for the 250 without huge overpenetration.

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                            • #15
                              Aka7mm-08Remmy
                              Junior Member
                              • Oct 2018
                              • 7

                              Last edited by Aka7mm-08Remmy; 11-21-2018, 12:06 AM.

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