ATF Binary Exploding Targets ruling BATFE

[ptoguy2002]

The legality of it (per the Tannerite people themselves) boils down to whether Tannerite is endothermic or exothermic.
I have a hard time believing that anything that goes boom is endothermic, but I'm not a chemist.....and you won't convince a jury that it isn't an explosive.

This picture has new meaning in the last couple weeks:

[bsim]

Is this clear enough?

Yes sir, it is.

[LBDamned]

DO NOT PURCHASE, SELL, STORE, MIX OR USE TANNERITE IN CALIFORNIA.

Is this clear enough?

-Brandon

I'm "purchasing" (online) in CA... but it's being shipped to IA - can't wait to shoot in a free state

[wildhawker]

According to the Tannerite web site, they haver spent endless amounts of funds proving the legality in court, proving legality in ALL FIFTY STATES.

I buy boxes of it at my local gun store.

That's funny, because when our lawyer asked for any evidence they have that their products are approved by and/or lawful in California, all we got was crickets.

That's also what I got when I asked DOJ for any legal opinions they have ever written on Tannerite. (Read: there are none.)

And then there are the people who've been arrested and prosecuted for using it in California.

So, will Tannerite put up the $50-100k for your multi-felony criminal trial you'll probably lose?

-Brandon

[CSACANNONEER]

According to the Tannerite web site, they haver spent endless amounts of funds proving the legality in court, proving legality in ALL FIFTY STATES.

I buy boxes of it at my local gun store.

As long as you have the money for a lawyer and can take a few years off work, keep it up.

[monk]

DO NOT PURCHASE, SELL, STORE, MIX OR USE TANNERITE IN CALIFORNIA.

Is this clear enough?

-Brandon

Damn, that sucks. That one tannerite stand at the crossroads of the west gunshow is gonna be disappointed.

[jlbflyboy172]

According to the Tannerite web site, they haver spent endless amounts of funds proving the legality in court, proving legality in ALL FIFTY STATES.

I buy boxes of it at my local gun store.

[wildhawker]

Party pooper!

I know, I know. I don't like being a wet blanket, either, but the Hotline calls and emails I get that we can't really help with...

-Brandon

[thedrickel]

Party pooper!

[wildhawker]

DO NOT PURCHASE, SELL, STORE, MIX OR USE TANNERITE IN CALIFORNIA.

Is this clear enough?

-Brandon

[hermosabeach]

Passing a copy of the ATF / BATFE letter to curious onlookers while explaining that Tannerite has a very slow shock rate vs. other explosives might calm some nerves...

And yes I know that CA has a weird set of laws...... in my home city even sparklers are verboten

[LBDamned]

Wait... so it's ok to have the individual mixing chemicals, until you mix it, that's when it's a controlled item of BATFE? But are you still able to use it?

according to the verbiage in the post, yes.

"when the binary components are combined, the resulting mixture is an explosive material regulated by ATF. Accordingly, all such exploding targets must be stored in an explosives storage magazine as prescribed in the applicable regulations, unless they are in the process of being used."

I wouldn't consider it in CA... but I'm going to IA first week of July and I'm ordering Tannerite to be delivered to my cousin... he's on several thousand acres, so I doubt there will be any problems - but even if the Feds are hiding in the corn fields, it looks like we will be legal

[stix213]

There are several threads discussing how this stuff is likely illegal under separate CA law.

[BucDan]

Wait... so it's ok to have the individual mixing chemicals, until you mix it, that's when it's a controlled item of BATFE? But are you still able to use it?

[tyrist]

California state laws are far more restrictive than federal laws.