Securing a safe in an apartment

[sigstroker]

What do most people do about securing a gun safe in an apartment? I can't drill holes in the floor.

[XYZ]

Not sure if this answers your question but it has some decent info:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=6108161#post6108161

[IllTemperedCur]

If you're on the second floor, and your floor is concrete, don't even THINK about drilling it with a hammer drill.....unless your downstairs neighbor likes the idea of spalled concrete dust/rock showers in their bedroom.

[tomd1584]

you can use some lag bolts and secure it through the drywall into the 2x4 studs.

[killmime1234]

I don't know if anyone else has toyed with this idea, but: I've always thought that if you couldn't bolt it to the wall/floor, just bolt it to something big enough and strong enough that the crooks couldn't fit it through the window or door frame. If you have a big oak dresser or a metal desk, they might work. Nothing's impenetrable given a long enough amount of time, but that would certainly keep them busy for long enough for the cops to arrive.

[Boltz]

+1 to the lag bolts/screws into wall studs. If you can't get into a stud, you could still use heavy duty drywall anchors. Although not as strong as anchoring into concrete, they'll make a safe feel fastened enough that a thief may be deterred, which could be all you need to keep your safe secure.

[silversix]

Just an idea, how about getting one of those take down safes like Zanotti's then assemble it in a closet too small for it to be rolled out the door.

Seems like a good idea, to me anyways. Then back that up with an alarm system... a GSM dialer at the least.

[hoozaru]

if you are on the first floor, just load it up with ammo and dumb bells
400lb safe + ammo + dumb bells > 800lb
and then position it somewhere away from any door or garage (in case they use truck)

[glockman19]

Hide it in a closet. Even if on the second floor...bolt to the floor...most 2nd floors are nothing more than plywood.

I'd bolt it to the floor and strap to the walls into the studs. You should be good to go.

[SkyMag68]

i lived in 2 story, just pack it up w/ammo.. probably weight close to 400lbs.

[Exile Machine]

I bolted mine into the wall studs. Not ideal but then apartment living is seldom ideal either...
-Mark

[tyrist]

Put it into a corner with the opening side against the wall. Bolt it into the wall studs.

You don't need to make it complete burglary proof just make it so time consuming they give up and leave. They are not going to be going to town on your safe for 20 minutes with tools, since it increases the chance of being caught dramatically.

If you can get it anchored to wall studs in a small closet even better.

[sigstroker]

In that case I would put it in a corner and lag it to the studs in both walls.

You mean drill through the sides of the safe? I'd probably have to buy a bigger drill, mine is too weaksauce to go through that kind of steel. How far apart are most studs, like 16" on center? The safe I'm looking at is only about 16.5"" deep, so maybe the back is all I can secure.

How badly are the fire insulating properties compromised by making holes like this?

[sigstroker]

i lived in 2 story, just pack it up w/ammo.. probably weight close to 400lbs.

400 pounds is pretty easy to move with a furniture dolly.

[707electrician]

You could rig it with explosives and a pressure sensor under it so that if anyone moves it, it explodes