did Nazis really cry about American using .45's in WWII ?

[locosway]

Wow! Germans actually shed tears, so your saying thay have emotions.

Being of German descent, I guess you mean Nazi's, not Germans, as that is a broad term.

[Lead Lobber]

9mm vs .45 ACP?

In a word, no. Each round has it's good points, and each it's bad. Holes in the human body are what counts. Who puts them where first, and if you missed, you may be dead. Aside from that, our soldiers rely on rifle rounds, not the pistols rounds discussed here.

The question, you wonder? It was stupid to begin with. Let's get out our there and kill any religious extremists that fail to comply to our views. With rifles, not stinking little pistols.

This is what we taught all these worlds that are waring around us ...

[smle-man]

The .45 was used in two guns in WWII. The 1911 and the Thompson. Neither of these weapons were standard issue. Mostly these two items were issued for guard duty or special assignments. Many soldiers didn't even have a sidearm in which they could use.

So, I don't see how the .45 could have even had an effect on anything related to WWII or the Germans. The round was available for anyone to use for years before the war. The Germans could have chambered their weapons in .45, but they chose not to.

Not that the Germans complained about the 1911 series but in fact the Germans used the Norwegian 1914 once they took over Norway, so they did have a weapon that used .45 auto ammo. Anyway many GIs were issued 1911A1s: machine gunners, tankers, some crew served weapons crewmen, officers, etc. Interestingly the U.S. Army and the German Army had the highest number of handguns authorized by TOE in the combatants in WW2. The Thompson and the 1911A1 were most definitely standard issue arms and were issued on a wide scale. Squad leaders frequently were issued sub machine guns, either the Thompson or the M3.

[bruce381]

""History trivia: What weapon of war led to the formation of the first Hague Convention?""

Dum Dum Bullets?

[M. Sage]

My understanding is the Krauts didn't like our 12 gauge trench broom, Nor the
1918 BAR, Nor our extra super accurate long range sharpshooting country boys with those slick '03's

The M1918 was woefully out of date by the time WWII rolled around. It's a shame it didn't see action in WWII (when it was state of the art), but someone decided it was too good to risk the Germans capturing it.

no but they *****ed about shotguns in WW1.
guys still used them anyway cause the the germans used mustard gas.

They whined even more about 12 gauge, saying it was inhumane. Hence why ETO guys didn't carry Trenchys and they were only used ETO as guard duty weapons.

Ok.... The straight facts The Germans launched a complaint against us for fielding 12 gauge shotguns, but that was during WWI. By the time WWII came around, the type of warfare we were seeing didn't put the shotgun at an advantage in enough situations to really issue it in numbers. An SMG was a far better choice in most cases where a rifle wasn't the right one.

We did not continue to field shotguns in WWI "because the Germans used mustard gas". We continued to field them because the complaint was not upheld in the Hague - our buckshot was copper plated and therefore would not easily flatten inside the human body. It wasn't the shotgun that was considered inhumane - it was the buckshot. As most buckshot is un-plated lead, they filed a complaint that we were using the equivalent of Dum Dums.

[locosway]

Not that the Germans complained about the 1911 series but in fact the Germans used the Norwegian 1914 once they took over Norway, so they did have a weapon that used .45 auto ammo. Anyway many GIs were issued 1911A1s: machine gunners, tankers, some crew served weapons crewmen, officers, etc. Interestingly the U.S. Army and the German Army had the highest number of handguns authorized by TOE in the combatants in WW2. The Thompson and the 1911A1 were most definitely standard issue arms and were issued on a wide scale. Squad leaders frequently were issued sub machine guns, either the Thompson or the M3.

Maybe it matters which branch issued them. Could it be the Army issued sidearms to more people than the Marines?