Ar pistol ..I know I know

[tummy06]

With info all over the place I know I can register, I can't really go featureless, how bout the cross armory quick pins..will the pins do for a fixed mag set up ?

[OlderThanDirt]

You need a mag lock in addition to the quick pins; not a BB but a mag lock that requires you to open the action before you can drop your magazine.

[RickD427]

With info all over the place I know I can register, I can't really go featureless, how bout the cross armory quick pins..will the pins do for a fixed mag set up ?

I just checked out the Cross Armory product. Kudos to their design team. They seem to have produced an item that does a very good job of complying with the letter of California law while completely violating the intent. Just like the "Bullet Button" folks did.

Somehow methinks that if the "Quick Pin" catches on in the marketplace, it will go the same route as the Bullet Button did.

Prior to the Bullet Button, AR style weapons that required an opening of the action to load were generally accepted as having a "fixed magazine", but that was also prior to the inclusion of language into the Penal Code defining a fixed magazine as one that requires "disassembly" of the action in order to remove.

I can easily see the DOJ, or at least one of our 58 District Attorneys arguing that the "Quick Pin" would allow the magazine to be loaded only by "Opening" the action without having to "Disassemble" the action. But keep reading, this may be a moot distinction.

When you look at the text of the statute, the requirement for the "Disassembly" of the action only applies to the removal of the magazine. It does not apply to the loading of the magazine. If the magazine were permanently fixed to the lower, and the "Quick Pin" device used only to permit the opening of the action to load from the top (like was done with early pre-Bullet Button fixed mag designs), then you would create a "fixed magazine" weapon that would defeat application of PC 30515(a)(4). If you limited that fixed magazine to 10 rounds or less, then you would also defeat PC 30515(a)(5).

That would keep you out of trouble with the Assault Weapon statutes, at least until they change the law again (like they did with the Bullet Button).

But you will still have to deal with the Safe Handgun statutes and the SBR statutes. You would have to build the weapon from a lower that has never been a rifle (and in the opinion of many, a lower that was DROS'd as a handgun) or build from a personally built (80%) lower. If you go the 80% route, you're going to find it just about impossible to do the build in a clearly legal manner.

This product is going to be fun to watch.

POSTSCRIPT - I also looked at Cross Armory's "Safe Mag" product. I'm not confident that this product would be sufficient to create a "Fixed Magazine" within the meaning of California law. The reason being that it releases the magazine simply by opening that action without requiring any disassembly of the action. For it to be legal in California, one would have to win the argument that "opening" and "disassembling" the action are synonymous. Do I "disassemble" my car door when I open it to get in the car? Remember, you're betting your freedom on the answer.

[RickD427]

You need a mag lock in addition to the quick pins; not a BB but a mag lock that requires you to open disassemble the action before you can drop your magazine.

One minor word change takes this from an incorrect statement to a correct one. Please refer to PC 30515(b) for the distinction.