Read calwiki and STILL confused about transporting pistol in trunk in socal

[iluvmyglock]

Spare me the pain. I've read countless threads. I've read the entire statement on Calwiki foundation on the use of transporting guns.

I've read how guns need to be transported, in trunk, and not loaded.

Okay, but what I really need to know is this because there appears to still be some vague-ness in my situation.

1. I have a glock 19 with a 10-round magazine.

2. I want to put the glock 19 along with the magazine in this container: V-Line Desk Mate Keyless Security Box

3. The magazine will not be inserted into the gun, but it will be lying next to it by its side and it will live in the same box. The magazine IS loaded with 10 Federal HST HP rounds.

4. The Vline security box will be mounted/bolted in the trunk underneath the rear deck of the sheet metal. So when I open the trunk, I can reach below the rear deck and retrieve it by entering the mechanical code.


Is any statement of the above I just described ILLEGAL in the state of California?

Now the part that is VAGUE to me is the following: Can I transport this gun like this in this manner I just described EVERYDAY and say it is for self defense? Because clearly I read you cannot do this? You must have a reason such as I'm going to or from the range or shop? I am not allowed or am I allowed to carry a pistol FOR the rest of my life in the trunk in the manner I described above? Assuming I have no CCW.

[Lucky Scott]

I am not an expert, but this is what I do. I put the gun in one case and the mag in another. Lock them both.
You can also have a soft bag with two separate compartments, and lock them both with one lock, but as I understand it, the mag must be separate from the gun.

[Mayor McRifle]

Is any statement of the above I just described ILLEGAL in the state of California?

No.

Now the part that is VAGUE to me is the following: Can I transport this gun like this in this manner I just described EVERYDAY and say it is for self defense?

Only if you have a valid CCW permit.

You must have a reason such as I'm going to or from the range or shop?

Without a valid CCW permit, yes.

I am not allowed or am I allowed to carry a pistol FOR the rest of my life in the trunk in the manner I described above? Assuming I have no CCW.

Unless the laws in California change, if you do not have a valid CCW permit you are not allowed to carry a gun in your car in any manner unless you are traveling directly to or from a gun shop, a shooting range, a hunting excursion, or some other place where you are lawfully allowed to possess/use the gun outside of your home.

[Falstaff]

you could transport it in that locked container on your lap, on the dash or anywhere else in the car as long as the magazine is not inserted in the weapon.
Does NOT have to be in trunk. For that matter, if your trunk is not accessible from the cabin, you could forego the lock box and transport the firearm in the trunk in a holster or even bouncing around loose as long as mag not inserted... Magazine CAN be in same container, and CAN be loaded.
As far as 24/7 transport for self defence, well I believe that's fine too.That's how I've carried for 10 years, now that I have LTC i don't need the box. Location/destination requirements do not apply to handguns- only registered assault rifles.
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[Merc1138]

Unless the laws in California change, if you do not have a valid CCW permit you are not allowed to carry a gun in your car in any manner unless you are traveling directly to or from a gun shop, a shooting range, a hunting excursion, or some other place where you are lawfully allowed to possess/use the gun outside of your home.

Umm, you're allowed to lawfully posses a handgun most places in CA. Going to 7-11 to buy a slurpee is not unlawful, going to 7-11 to rob the place would be an unlawful purpose.

[TeddyBallgame]

Spare me the pain. I've read countless threads. I've read the entire statement on Calwiki foundation on the use of transporting guns.

I've read how guns need to be transported, in trunk, and not loaded.

Okay, but what I really need to know is this because there appears to still be some vague-ness in my situation.

1. I have a glock 19 with a 10-round magazine.

2. I want to put the glock 19 along with the magazine in this container: V-Line Desk Mate Keyless Security Box

3. The magazine will not be inserted into the gun, but it will be lying next to it by its side and it will live in the same box. The magazine IS loaded with 10 Federal HST HP rounds.

4. The Vline security box will be mounted/bolted in the trunk underneath the rear deck of the sheet metal. So when I open the trunk, I can reach below the rear deck and retrieve it by entering the mechanical code.


Is any statement of the above I just described ILLEGAL in the state of California?

Now the part that is VAGUE to me is the following: Can I transport this gun like this in this manner I just described EVERYDAY and say it is for self defense? Because clearly I read you cannot do this? You must have a reason such as I'm going to or from the range or shop? I am not allowed or am I allowed to carry a pistol FOR the rest of my life in the trunk in the manner I described above? Assuming I have no CCW.

No.



Only if you have a valid CCW permit.



Without a valid CCW permit, yes.



Unless the laws in California change, if you do not have a valid CCW permit you are not allowed to carry a gun in your car in any manner unless you are traveling directly to or from a gun shop, a shooting range, a hunting excursion, or some other place where you are lawfully allowed to possess/use the gun outside of your home.

i travel like this DAILY, only i have a locked combination case sitting right up front with me...i do believe the only time it was described that you MUST be going to or from a gun range was in the event that you ARE NOT in a motor vehicle, such as on a bicycle or other type of transportation...there has been some discussion on this before and it was noted in such a manner...i don't think im breaking the law

either way, i don't think the legal transportation of a firearm is restricted ONLY to and from a range via automobile

I remember Librarian talking about this specifically one day, especially the part about the range restriction specifically relating to NON vehicle transport

i don't think carrying in such a manner at all times, in the trunk, is illegal...i've read the CHP code on this and it doesn't mention anything about to and from range restrictions

this is from the CHP website, no mention of to/from restrictions

California law does not recognize concealed weapon permits from other states; therefore, they would not be held valid. If you wish to transport a handgun during your California visit, it should be carried unloaded in a locked container. In the absence of a suitable container, you may secure the unloaded handgun in the locked trunk of a passenger car. Ammunition may be kept in the same container or trunk, but the handgun must remain unloaded with no rounds in the cylinder and no loaded magazines in the magazine well.

If you have additional questions, contact the California Department of Justice at 916-227-3703.

read this too

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/travel

[CSACANNONEER]

Having the loaded mag in the same container MIGHT violate the loaded gun law. No one knows for sure. Do you really want to be the test case? Having an unloaded gun, an unloaded mag and ammo in the same box would not violate the law. Having the gun locked and a loaded mag not in the same container would not violate the law.

[djflash]

In general the only time you need a "valid reason" to have a properly secured firearm in your vehicle is when it's a RAW (Registered Assault Weapon).

http://oag.ca.gov/firearms/travel

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Transporting#No_Penal_Code_destination_restrictions_on_vehicle_carry

[djflash]

Having the loaded mag in the same container MIGHT violate the loaded gun law. No one knows for sure. Do you really want to be the test case? Having an unloaded gun, an unloaded mag and ammo in the same box would not violate the law. Having the gun locked and a loaded mag not in the same container would not violate the law.

According to Calguns Wiki it's legal

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Transporting#Ammunition_in_the_locked_container_is_legal

[TeddyBallgame]

Having the loaded mag in the same container MIGHT violate the loaded gun law. No one knows for sure. Do you really want to be the test case? Having an unloaded gun, an unloaded mag and ammo in the same box would not violate the law. Having the gun locked and a loaded mag not in the same container would not violate the law.

i understand what you're saying CSA, we've heard the horror stories, but, it does very clearly state on the CHP site that the ammo and firearm may be in the same container...some people have stated that if the ammo is loaded into a magazine, then, some have considered that to be a "loaded firearm", but, as far as I know, no one has ever been convicted yet for it

i'll be damned if im going to carry my ammo scattered in my case

[Merc1138]

As the wiki summarizes:

Note that carry of a handgun onto K-12 school property or college/university property requires a License to Carry, with that particular handgun listed on the license. Locked-case transport of unloaded handguns may also be excepted from California's Gun Free School Zone, and the restriction from bringing them onto school property during transport, but this is unclear. Transport/carry of a long gun onto school property is forbidden without express permission. Note further that Federal law prohibits firearms on most Federal property, including Post Offices, and requires both handguns and long guns to be locked up inside a Federal Gun Free School Zone.
But, if one avoids the possible prohibited destinations, there are no legal barriers to carrying an unloaded handgun or long gun in your vehicle.

Avoiding schools and federal property isn't particularly difficult to do.

i understand what you're saying CSA, we've heard the horror stories, but, it does very clearly state on the CHP site that the ammo and firearm may be in the same container...some people have stated that if the ammo is loaded into a magazine, then, some have considered that to be a "loaded firearm", but, as far as I know, no one has ever been convicted yet for it

i'll be damned if im going to carry my ammo scattered in my case

There is one potential issue with a loaded magazine locked in a case with an otherwise unloaded firearm. If for some reason the mag and firearm can bounce around, there's the odd chance that the magazine may find it's way in the mag well. There's nothing to indicate whether or not the magazine is required to be fully inserted into the mag well to qualify as loaded. There are people who toss a pistol and mags loose in a range bag with a lock on it... it's possible that's not a good idea.

[iluvmyglock]

Haha, thanks everyone.

See after reading all this thread, it still seems like the law and rules are still VAGUE to everybody.

"yes you can have the loaded mag and pistol in the same container." "No you can't." "You might, but it's iffy"

"yes you can have a trunk gun 24/7 for no purpose and no reason and to drive it anywhere as long as it's locked up in the trunk" "no you can only take your gun to and from the range or to and from the gun shop.."


I understand that you can't have any firearm close to a school school or federal building, but what if you're driving by on the public street to drop off or pick up kids? What if you are on postal office parking lot property, but you never take the gun out of the box that's inside the trunk?

Assuming of course, the scenario I described. Unloaded gun, but loaded magazine in the same container. Now, it doesn't make sense for me to put the magazine in the trunk but the gun in a locked case that's also in the trunk. Both are just as easily as accessible. It's best to have the loaded mag in the same container so it doesn't flop around my trunk right? Plus, it's more secured that way.


sounds like I need to call the local PD and ask them.

[Merc1138]

Haha, thanks everyone.

See after reading all this thread, it still seems like the law and rules are still VAGUE to everybody.

"yes you can have the loaded mag and pistol in the same container." "No you can't." "You might, but it's iffy"

"yes you can have a trunk gun 24/7 for no purpose and no reason and to drive it anywhere as long as it's locked up in the trunk" "no you can only take your gun to and from the range or to and from the gun shop.."


I understand that you can't have any firearm close to a school school or federal building, but what if you're driving by on the public street to drop off or pick up kids? What if you are on postal office parking lot property, but you never take the gun out of the box that's inside the trunk?

Assuming of course, the scenario I described. Unloaded gun, but loaded magazine in the same container. Now, it doesn't make sense for me to put the magazine in the trunk but the gun in a locked case that's also in the trunk. Both are just as easily as accessible. It's best to have the loaded mag in the same container so it doesn't flop around my trunk right? Plus, it's more secured that way.


sounds like I need to call the local PD and ask them.

1. Local PD does not exist to answer questions about legality and may not even be correct regarding what they are vaguely aware of. CA DOJ is not in the business of doing this either.

2. The only person confused about destination requirements is one guy who wasn't aware that it only applies to RAWs, as was pointed out by others and the wiki page.

3. The law states nothing about having a firearm close to a school or federal building, and neither does the wiki page. There is the federal gun free school zone which requires the firearm to be locked within 1000 ft. of k-12 school property(such as driving past a school), and as indicated locked in a trunk is a non-issue. Parking in the parking lot for a building such as a post office IS being on federal property, so you should treat it accordingly.

4. Magazines and ammunition are not required to be locked. If the possibility of an officer considering a loaded magazine in a container with a firearm but not in the mag well is a concern to you, then don't put it in the locked portion of the container. Attach a mag pouch to the exterior of the container or somewhere else, and there is no issue.

[notme92069]

Having the loaded mag in the same container MIGHT violate the loaded gun law. No one knows for sure. Do you really want to be the test case? Having an unloaded gun, an unloaded mag and ammo in the same box would not violate the law. Having the gun locked and a loaded mag not in the same container would not violate the law.

People v Clark. There has already been a test case. It can be attached to the firearm as long as the ammunition is not in a position to be fired. Ammo can be attached to the but stock or sling (think shotguns) Ammo can be in loaded mags (clips too) as long as the ammo is not in a position to be fired.

[iluvmyglock]

Thanks guys.

I will order the $9 plate to install this box to the trunk when I go on long trips. We may go to Big Sur area camping. Last time we went, I was a bit scared at night because it's dark, there are no lights, the cabin is creepy. You never know if the Michael from Halloween is going to show up at your motel door...