Saiga 20k

[smurfette]

You really dont know until you shoot the shotty, ultimately they were designed as combat shotguns intended to shoot the heavy loads like slugs or buck shot so running bird shot or light loads may require some polishing of the rails, bolt, and potentially even drilling in the gas system if necessary. With that said I can tell you that mine is a new 2011 model with some of the upgrades from the factory (extended barrel hood) and I have only had one FTE over about 500 rds of walmart Federal and Winchester bulk pack rated at 1200 fps. It eats everything eagerly, and never misses a beat. I have vids I can send you.




Its a 10 rd Promag drum which is legal in CA. There is a company out there that has a 30 rd drum for the .410 but of course is pointless here in CA. The S12 comes without a pistol grip and the trigger is moved back (search saiga conversion) Sounds like your getting some good advice here, I think you might be better off with a differnt style shotgun all together. But something bout a smurf with a Saiga 12 or .410 seems bad *** hahah

Thanks, so I shouldn't get this... what else should I get? I have a remington 870 tactical with knoxx specops stock now.. which one is similar?

[SDRider858]

how do I know if I have to change the gas piston and stuff before shooting it?

You really dont know until you shoot the shotty, ultimately they were designed as combat shotguns intended to shoot the heavy loads like slugs or buck shot so running bird shot or light loads may require some polishing of the rails, bolt, and potentially even drilling in the gas system if necessary. With that said I can tell you that mine is a new 2011 model with some of the upgrades from the factory (extended barrel hood) and I have only had one FTE over about 500 rds of walmart Federal and Winchester bulk pack rated at 1200 fps. It eats everything eagerly, and never misses a beat. I have vids I can send you.

hwo come u can shoot with the round magazine in CA? excuse my terms. i don't know most of the gun terms lol
yours looks good.. when did u get it? it comes with the pistol grip and detachable magazine?? I want one like that in 0.410.. where should I buy it? Thanks!

Its a 10 rd Promag drum which is legal in CA. There is a company out there that has a 30 rd drum for the .410 but of course is pointless here in CA. The S12 comes without a pistol grip and the trigger is moved back (search saiga conversion) Sounds like your getting some good advice here, I think you might be better off with a differnt style shotgun all together. But something bout a smurf with a Saiga 12 or .410 seems bad *** hahah

[smurfette]

My Saiga 12 is fine with bird shot. I did a little slide racking and went over the gas system to make sure everything is ok.

After a few initial hiccups it cycles cheapo bird shot and buck shot both on the less gas setting.

I guess I got lucky.

Some people have to change the gas piston, polish the bolt and get a new gas plug before they cycle cheap ammo 100%. If you get a bad Saiga it might not even have the gas ports properly drilled (but that seemed to be more common a few years ago).

how do I know if I have to change the gas piston and stuff before shooting it?

[wash]

My Saiga 12 is fine with bird shot. I did a little slide racking and went over the gas system to make sure everything is ok.

After a few initial hiccups it cycles cheapo bird shot and buck shot both on the less gas setting.

I guess I got lucky.

Some people have to change the gas piston, polish the bolt and get a new gas plug before they cycle cheap ammo 100%. If you get a bad Saiga it might not even have the gas ports properly drilled (but that seemed to be more common a few years ago).

[smurfette]

12g isnt *that* much more recoil. And if your shooting cheap birdshot either way, very manageable.


Now, bring on the issue that Saigas usually have issues with birdshot unless you do some work on them. For your purpose I would look another direction.

really >< what do I have to work on?

[zfields]

12g isnt *that* much more recoil. And if your shooting cheap birdshot either way, very manageable.


Now, bring on the issue that Saigas usually have issues with birdshot unless you do some work on them. For your purpose I would look another direction.

[smurfette]

410 is bad choice ammo wise $12 & up per box,it is a fun gun to shoot. Have you looked at 20ga sxs, o/u like the Stoger line up?

it's around 9.99-12..yeah ><
what's 20ga sxs? I don't think I wanna get a o/u hehe

One thing to think about before you buy, how available are magazines?

20 gauge is not as popular as 12 so mags might be hard to come by.

Having a gun with one small magazine sucks.

the one I'm looking at now comes with 5 round magazine....hmm..

[wash]

One thing to think about before you buy, how available are magazines?

20 gauge is not as popular as 12 so mags might be hard to come by.

Having a gun with one small magazine sucks.

[11011500a]

410 is bad choice ammo wise $12 & up per box,it is a fun gun to shoot. Have you looked at 20ga sxs, o/u like the Stoger line up?

[smurfette]

The bad thing about saigas is that because they are semi-auto and magazine fed you have to have a magazine lock.

Most places that have trap shooting limit you to having two shells in the gun and that is a big pain when you have to deal with a bullet button.

A double barrel, pump or tube fed semi-auto are much more convenient in that situation.

What a saiga is good for is magazine dumps at milk jugs and other fun targets.

In a free state where you don't need a mag lock, they are lots more fun and when you can SBS them it's even better.

http://legionusainc.com/index.php

here's your 410 Saiga Smurfy~~

yeah..my friends said this gun is not for me.. and 0.410 is harder for me to break clays.. still looking for the 20g

[bjl333]

http://legionusainc.com/index.php

here's your 410 Saiga Smurfy~~

[wash]

The bad thing about saigas is that because they are semi-auto and magazine fed you have to have a magazine lock.

Most places that have trap shooting limit you to having two shells in the gun and that is a big pain when you have to deal with a bullet button.

A double barrel, pump or tube fed semi-auto are much more convenient in that situation.

What a saiga is good for is magazine dumps at milk jugs and other fun targets.

In a free state where you don't need a mag lock, they are lots more fun and when you can SBS them it's even better.

[smurfette]

If your primary purpose for the shotgun is to shoot clays, I don't think a Saiga is what you are looking for.

The Remington 1100 Youth sounds like it would suit you. It's a 20GA with a 21" barrel, 13" length of pull, and only weighs 6.5 lbs. I don't see it on Remington's website, but here it is N/A at buds: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...RC+Youth+Black

I have a remington 870 already, so I want something like a Saiga haha.. what is Saiga good for shooting?

Smurfette, try handling a 26" Winchester sx3, they are very light and agile. I have two of them i use to bust clays, and every time i go, my buddies want to use my sx3's than their own. They also have them in 20 gauge, and I agree with some, .410 is going to be harder to break clays, so I'd say go in the middle and find something with 20 like you originally thought.

I haven't see any Saiga 20 on market..><

[hcbr]

Smurfette, try handling a 26" Winchester sx3, they are very light and agile. I have two of them i use to bust clays, and every time i go, my buddies want to use my sx3's than their own. They also have them in 20 gauge, and I agree with some, .410 is going to be harder to break clays, so I'd say go in the middle and find something with 20 like you originally thought.

[dvsdev]

If your primary purpose for the shotgun is to shoot clays, I don't think a Saiga is what you are looking for.

The Remington 1100 Youth sounds like it would suit you. It's a 20GA with a 21" barrel, 13" length of pull, and only weighs 6.5 lbs. I don't see it on Remington's website, but here it is N/A at buds: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...RC+Youth+Black