Shotgun capacity question

[boopiejones]

[meno377]

Capacity was restricted regardless of the type. With that said, I can't think why it's an issue at this moment installing a tube that gives you a capacity larger than 10 rounds whether it's a pump or autoloader. Even a pump with a detachable magazine that exceeds 10 rounds I would think is legal at this moment. Someone else will undoubtedly chime in and give you an official answer.

[Quiet]

The ruling applies to all ammunition feeding devices.

The ruling did not effect CA assault weapons laws.
Which is why use of 11+ round magazines to create fixed magazine on semi-auto centerfire rifles and semi-auto pistols is still illegal. [PC 30515(a)(2)&(5)]

Under CA assault weapons laws, there are no fixed magazine capacity limit for shotguns.
However, it does prohibit shotguns that utilize a revolving cylinder.

Therefore...

It should be CA legal to increase the capacity, of a fixed tubular magazine on a shotgun, to greater than 10 rounds.
^Note: This has always been CA legal for lever-action shotguns.

[Starslinger]

If it's unconstitutional to limit magazine size to ten rounds, would it be reasonable to expect that there will be a court case soon where the magazine size restriction section of the CA assault weapon law is also ruled unconstitutional? If it's unconstitutional to limit magazine size with one law, it's probably unconstitutional to limit magazine size with another law, such as the CA assault weapon law. I'm not personally volunteering to create a "California Assault Weapon" in order to be arrested and have standing to challenge this law, but if millions of Californians are currently buying standard capacity magazines for their rifles and pistols, then either that part of the assault weapon law will be invalidated or will we have millions of new felons in California, right?

[RickD427]

If it's unconstitutional to limit magazine size to ten rounds, would it be reasonable to expect that there will be a court case soon where the magazine size restriction section of the CA assault weapon law is also ruled unconstitutional? If it's unconstitutional to limit magazine size with one law, it's probably unconstitutional to limit magazine size with another law, such as the CA assault weapon law. I'm not personally volunteering to create a "California Assault Weapon" in order to be arrested and have standing to challenge this law, but if millions of Californians are currently buying standard capacity magazines for their rifles and pistols, then either that part of the assault weapon law will be invalidated or will we have millions of new felons in California, right?

One step at a time.

Friday's ruling doesn't do any of the above.

But Judge Benitez' opinion does provide a lot of support for such efforts. Most significantly, his dicta applies the term "arms" very broadly in a way that would clearly place magazines and ammunition under the protection of the 2nd Amendment. He also clearly applies "Strict Scrutiny" as the standard of legal review. That really narrows the prerogative of legislators to craft legislative "solutions" to perceived gun-related problems. Application of "Strict Scrutiny" would probably kill the safe handgun roster, and ammunition laws. It would probably really narrow, or eliminate the AW statutes.

But those will require their own cases, or legislative concession.

It's really important to do some strategic planning in the bringing of these cases, and in the management of the litigation. Too many cooks in the kitchen is not a good idea. It may also be wiser to get the first landmark case all the way through the appellate process , and then use it to "bootstrap" the follow-on cases. Once you get a certain momentum to relief in the appellate courts, then the door opens to legislative relief.

At this point we really need one (no more and no less) leadership entity to do that strategic planning. My vote would go to the CRPA based on their victory in Duncan, and on their previous record of litigation.

[Churro]

The ruling applies to all ammunition feeding devices.

The ruling did not effect CA assault weapons laws.
Which is why use of 11+ round magazines to create fixed magazine on semi-auto centerfire rifles and semi-auto pistols is still illegal. [PC 30515(a)(2)&(5)]

Under CA assault weapons laws, there are no fixed magazine capacity limit for shotguns.
However, it does prohibit shotguns that utilize a revolving cylinder.

Therefore...

It should be CA legal to increase the capacity, of a fixed tubular magazine on a shotgun, to greater than 10 rounds.
^Note: This has always been CA legal for lever-action shotguns.

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but the DP-12 for example.. would that be legal to transfer now as is? Std. Manufacturing introduced a "California Compliant" model that is limited to 10 rounds. Just wondering if this ruling would affect the DP-12 if I was to transfer it to someone during this time or if I would need to buy the " California Compliant Plugs" regardless.

[inyocountymark]

The ruling applies to all ammunition feeding devices.

The ruling did not effect CA assault weapons laws.
Which is why use of 11+ round magazines to create fixed magazine on semi-auto centerfire rifles and semi-auto pistols is still illegal. [PC 30515(a)(2)&(5)]

Under CA assault weapons laws, there are no fixed magazine capacity limit for shotguns.
However, it does prohibit shotguns that utilize a revolving cylinder.

Therefore...

It should be CA legal to increase the capacity, of a fixed tubular magazine on a shotgun, to greater than 10 rounds.
^Note: This has always been CA legal for lever-action shotguns.

so a 20 round magazine for the Mossberg with detachable magazine and the Remington with detachable magazine ok for use? Thank You

[Quiet]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but the DP-12 for example.. would that be legal to transfer now as is? Std. Manufacturing introduced a "California Compliant" model that is limited to 10 rounds. Just wondering if this ruling would affect the DP-12 if I was to transfer it to someone during this time or if I would need to buy the " California Compliant Plugs" regardless.

Since Friday (03-29-19), it is CA legal for the DP-12 to no longer be limited to 10 rounds and advertised for sale & transferred in CA.

Since Friday (04-05-19), it is no longer CA legal to advertise for sale & transfer in CA a DP-12 with a magazine capacity greater than 10 rounds.

so a 20 round magazine for the Mossberg with detachable magazine and the Remington with detachable magazine ok for use? Thank You

Yes.
Since Friday (03-29-19), it is now CA legal to acquire and use 11+ round magazines for those pump-action shotguns.

Since Friday (04-05-19), is no longer CA legal to acquire 11+ round magazines.
However, it is still CA legal to possess and use 11+ round magazines.

[W.R.Buchanan]

OK , One thing to consider is that having more than about 8 rounds on board a shotgun makes it kind of hard to handle. With 10 or more on board you have added 2 lbs to the weight of the gun and all of it is hanging out the front.

Makes the gun handle badly.

I know some of the unlimited 3 gun guys have mag tubes sticking out 6-8" beyond the muzzle but You need to consider one other thing.

With any kind of high volume shotgun shooting IE; Trap, Skeet, 3 Gun, the limiting factor becomes '' Number of Gun Lifts over a period of time." When you mount the gun each time you shoot you are mounting a 7-9 lb. gun. If you do it 200 times in a day that takes alot of energy. There is also the cumulative effects of Recoil over the day which negatively affect energy consumption as well and starts showing itself during the latter parts of the day.

This is a double edged sword as the heavier the gun the less felt recoil to deal with, however the heavier the gun the harder the gun lifts become.

The only way to not have this become a negative factor is to practice alot and build the muscles necessary to cope with the increased demand on your body.

My point here is that you don't need more than 8 rounds in a shotgun at any given time and having more on board just makes the gun more clunky.

What you really need to do is learn how to reload the gun in an efficient manner so that this doesn't become an issue.

I have shot a Mossberg with a full 20 round magazine and the gun was the most ill handling thing I have ever shouldered.

Randy

[inyocountymark]

[SIZE="4"]I was only curious about 20 round mags, the 10 round mag on the Mossberg 590 DM is a bit cumbersome, but for my size 6' 6" and 350 and at almost 70, I have no issues lifting heavy, no brag just fact.

I purchased the 590 from a young person seriously down on his luck and could not pass it up. I think the 10 round double stack mag is a little much, a standard five round mag would be better imo, after 5 rounds of 00 buck, the ammo carrier came apart, it is a two piece affair that has two plastic pegs that snap together to make a one piece ammo carrier, the ammo carrier was gorilla glued back together and so far it has done ok. One draw back is that for those of smaller stature, loading more than 6 rounds into the double stack is a tough thing to do, for me the mossy is just a plinker, for serious shooting I will use my 870 .

[prc77]

OK , One thing to consider is that having more than about 8 rounds on board a shotgun makes it kind of hard to handle. With 10 or more on board you have added 2 lbs to the weight of the gun and all of it is hanging out the front.

Makes the gun handle badly.

I know some of the unlimited 3 gun guys have mag tubes sticking out 6-8" beyond the muzzle but You need to consider one other thing.

With any kind of high volume shotgun shooting IE; Trap, Skeet, 3 Gun, the limiting factor becomes '' Number of Gun Lifts over a period of time." When you mount the gun each time you shoot you are mounting a 7-9 lb. gun. If you do it 200 times in a day that takes alot of energy. There is also the cumulative effects of Recoil over the day which negatively affect energy consumption as well and starts showing itself during the latter parts of the day.

This is a double edged sword as the heavier the gun the less felt recoil to deal with, however the heavier the gun the harder the gun lifts become.

The only way to not have this become a negative factor is to practice alot and build the muscles necessary to cope with the increased demand on your body.

My point here is that you don't need more than 8 rounds in a shotgun at any given time and having more on board just makes the gun more clunky.

What you really need to do is learn how to reload the gun in an efficient manner so that this doesn't become an issue.

I have shot a Mossberg with a full 20 round magazine and the gun was the most ill handling thing I have ever shouldered.

Randy

So, a Rem. Gun Club 3 DRAM 1 1/8oz 12ga shotshell weighs 1.54 oz's. So it would take 20 shells to equal the 2 lbs.you speak of. In another thread you are advocating the use of a 6 round tear off sidesaddle. That would put your shotgun way over your "clunky" weight limit. I'm interested, what Model Mossberg shotgun did you shoot with a 20 round magazine? 20 round box mag on a 590? or a 930 with a straight extension. or Xrail?
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