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  • jimbo74
    Veteran Member
    • Mar 2014
    • 2923

    22lr AR15 Zero

    I have a 16" barreled AR shooting 22lr in a dedicated upper.

    it has a scope on it.

    I usually shoot it @ a 25 yd indoor range. I have noticed my groups are very consistent, but depending on how close or far I have it away, it will shift a good 4"

    What distance should I Zero @?
    Last edited by jimbo74; 01-21-2021, 10:15 PM.
    "It is currently CA legal to modify a double-action revolver into a single-action revolver and modify a single-action revolver into a double-action revolver.

    CA DOJ BOF stance on modifying handguns only applies to dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistols and dimensionally compliant break-open single-shot pistols.
    ^It does not apply to revolvers, manually operated repeating pistols, and semi-auto pistols." ~~ Quiet
  • #2
    therealnickb
    King- Lifetime
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2011
    • 8944

    25?

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    • #3
      subscriber
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2011
      • 929

      That shift is an artifact of a high slight over bore-line distance. Zero at the range you care about. If you zero at 10 yards you will shoot high at 25 and 50 yards.

      If you also care about 50 yards, zero there and compare that with a 25 yards zero.
      There are other calculator like this, but this one will let you input your sight height and see what happens for different zero distances: https://www.hornady.com/team-hornady...alculators/#!/

      You will have to input some values. I assumed a 0.1 BC, a 2" sight height, and a 25 yard zero. Then I changed the zero to 50 yards for the second table below.

      I tried a few other zero distances and would go with the 25 yard one, if it was me.


      25 yard zero:
      Range Velocity Energy Trajectory Come Up (MOA) Come Up (MILS) Wind Drift Wind Drift (MOA) Wind Drift (MILS)
      0 1200 128.0 -2.0 0.0 0.0 0 0 0
      25 1108 109.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0 0
      50 1038 96.0 0.2 -0.4 -0.1 0 0 0
      75 984 86.0 -1.6 2.1 0.6 0 0 0
      100 939 78.0 -5.7 5.4 1.6 0 0 0
      125 901 72.0 -12.2 9.3 2.7 0 0 0
      150 867 67.0 -21.4 13.6 4.0 0 0 0
      175 837 62.0 -33.5 18.2 5.3 0 0 0
      200 808 58.0 -48.6 23.2 6.8 0 0 0
      225 782 54.0 -67.1 28.5 8.3 0 0 0
      250 757 51.0 -89.2 34.1 9.9 0 0 0
      275 733 48.0 -115.1 39.9 11.6 0 0 0
      300 710 45.0 -144.9 46.1 13.4 0 0 0
      325 689 42.0 -179.1 52.6 15.3 0 0 0
      350 668 40.0 -217.9 59.4 17.3 0 0 0
      375 647 37.0 -261.8 66.6 19.4 0 0 0
      400 628 35.0 -310.7 74.1 21.6 0 0 0
      425 609 33.0 -365.0 82.0 23.8 0 0 0
      450 590 31.0 -425.2 90.2 26.2 0 0 0
      475 572 29.0 -492.0 98.9 28.8 0 0 0
      500 555 27.0 -565.0 107.9 31.4 0 0 0


      50 yard zero:
      Range Velocity Energy Trajectory Come Up (MOA) Come Up (MILS) Wind Drift Wind Drift (MOA) Wind Drift (MILS)
      0 1200 128.0 -2.0 0.0 0.0 0 0 0
      25 1108 109.0 -0.1 0.4 0.1 0 0 0
      50 1038 96.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0 0 0
      75 984 86.0 -1.9 2.4 0.7 0 0 0
      100 939 78.0 -6.0 5.8 1.7 0 0 0
      125 901 72.0 -12.7 9.7 2.8 0 0 0
      150 867 67.0 -21.9 14.0 4.1 0 0 0
      175 837 62.0 -34.1 18.6 5.4 0 0 0
      200 808 58.0 -49.4 23.6 6.9 0 0 0
      225 782 54.0 -68.0 28.8 8.4 0 0 0
      250 757 51.0 -90.1 34.4 10.0 0 0 0
      275 733 48.0 -116.1 40.3 11.7 0 0 0
      300 710 45.0 -146.1 46.5 13.5 0 0 0
      325 689 42.0 -180.4 53.0 15.4 0 0 0
      350 668 40.0 -219.2 59.8 17.4 0 0 0
      375 647 37.0 -263.2 67.0 19.5 0 0 0
      400 628 35.0 -312.2 74.5 21.7 0 0 0
      425 609 33.0 -366.6 82.3 24.0 0 0 0
      450 590 31.0 -426.9 90.6 26.3 0 0 0
      475 573 29.0 -493.8 99.2 28.9 0 0 0
      500 555 27.0 -566.9 108.2 31.5 0 0 0

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      • #4
        FeuerFrei
        Calguns Addict
        • Aug 2008
        • 7455

        If you only shoot at 25yds then zero it there. Some Q's answer themselves.

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        • #5
          FNGGlock
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2020
          • 1289

          Zero at 25yds, with AR sight height you will be a little high at 50 and a bit low at less than 25 yds. My 10/22 has a red dot with 1.5" sight height, I zero at 25 yds, it is pretty close to zero at 50 yds with HV 22LR ammo and then drop to 6-9" low at 100 yds pending conditions and ammo.

          Assuming you have 2.5" sight height like most ARs you can expect to be around 0.5" high at 50 yds and 1.3" low at 10 yds.

          Play with a ballistics calculator and test for yourself, always assume about 50-100fps lower velocity than quoted for ammo.

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          • #6
            subscriber
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2011
            • 929

            Originally posted by FNGGlock
            Play with a ballistics calculator and test for yourself, always assume about 50-100fps lower velocity than quoted for ammo.
            http://www.jbmballistics.com/cgi-bin/jbmtraj-5.1.cgi
            This is a much more useful calculator than the Hornady one I posted. Thanks.

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            • #7
              jimbo74
              Veteran Member
              • Mar 2014
              • 2923

              The range is an indoor range, so 25 yds max, but I do shoot it a 5, 7, 10, 15, 21, 25 yds
              "It is currently CA legal to modify a double-action revolver into a single-action revolver and modify a single-action revolver into a double-action revolver.

              CA DOJ BOF stance on modifying handguns only applies to dimensionally compliant bolt-action single-shot pistols and dimensionally compliant break-open single-shot pistols.
              ^It does not apply to revolvers, manually operated repeating pistols, and semi-auto pistols." ~~ Quiet

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              • #8
                ejhc11
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2010
                • 1214

                I try to do 25m not yds for my autoload rimfires, so when I do attend another Appleseed it's zeroed for their rimfire course.

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                • #9
                  PRODRIVE
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 1562

                  I have 10m army zeroing targets for m16 with 22lr conversion kit

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                  • #10
                    sfvshooter
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2016
                    • 1200

                    Originally posted by FeuerFrei
                    If you only shoot at 25yds then zero it there. Some Q's answer themselves.
                    My doctor told me I need to take my pills 3/day w/meals. What time should I take my pills?


                    My elementary school teacher was wrong, there are dumb questions.
                    Too many rifles, not enough time...

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