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  • goletagun
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 21

    Anyone know what make/model gun this is?

    It has no markings that I can find except for the serial number (three digit) stamped a couple places. And, as can be seen on the last picture, has a euro style mag release.

    With the help of some Calgunners in one of the other sections, it was determined that it does have some Star-like (Star / Bonifacoi Echeverria) design elements (Model 14ish), but the slide seems significantly different and how the barrel attaches to the frame does as well. Overall the design seems simpler/more elegant. And the frame/barrel is different too. The barrel/feed ramp piece attaches to the frame with the two screws.

    The slide almost has Beretta-ish (i.e. 92) shape with the different (obvious from the pictures) round part at the rear.

    Also, all the Stars I am seeing in that design do not seem to have the euro style mag release.

    It appears to be something close to a .380 -- probably 7.65 due to the length of the magazine well. (Magazine is missing... so just guessing.)

    Thanks!













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    goletagun
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 21

    More pics

    A few more pictures.
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    • #3
      Milsurp Collector
      Calguns Addict
      CGN Contributor
      • Jan 2009
      • 5884

      Probably Chinese. The barrel/frame looks similar to this one




      Notice the Mauser Broomhandle hammer on yours, which is supposed to be common with these Chinese creations.



      See http://www.forgottenweapons.com/mystery-chinese-pistol/
      Revolvers are not pistols

      pistol nouna handgun whose chamber is integral with the barrel
      Calling a revolver a "pistol" is like calling a magazine a "clip", calling a shotgun a rifle, or a calling a man a woman.

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      • #4
        89 Vision
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2010
        • 1356

        Tagged.....looks like something that came out of the Khyber Pass. It's obviously not, but just has the "look".

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        • #5
          Mike A
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2007
          • 1209

          I'd also go with Chinese handmade "adaptation" of a Spanish 7.65/.32 ACP, unless it has some proofmarks someplace on it. Spanish blowback autos with large capacity magazines were popular in China with those who couldn't afford a real Mauser or a Spanish Astra or Royal "broomhandle". So copies would make sense, since they also copied the broomhandles.

          Some of these things showed up in Vietcong hands, too. They, like the two shown, often are a mixture of various other pistol designs.

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          • #6
            gun toting monkeyboy
            Calguns Addict
            • Aug 2008
            • 6820

            I'd say it looks more Spanish than Chinese. It is similar to a Campo Giro M1916, but not identical. My guess would be that it was made by some local gunsmith someplace, adapted from other designs. It looks nifty.

            -Mb
            Originally posted by aplinker
            It's OK not to post when you have no clue what you're talking about.

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            • #7
              goletagun
              Junior Member
              • Mar 2010
              • 21

              The weird thing (or maybe it is just my lack of knowledge of these types of pistols) is that the serial number is stamped in a number of places (left side of frame, top rear of slide, top of the barrel) but there don't seem to be any other proof marks or designations at all.

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              • #8
                SVT-40
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2008
                • 12894

                With no proofs it's most likely a Chinese copy.....

                Still pretty neat!!
                Poke'm with a stick!


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                • #9
                  Marcus von W.
                  Banned
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 1675

                  Grips look like Steyr-Hahn Model 1911/1912, and somewhat the frame design also looks vaguely inspired by the Steyr-Hahn. Also, as MC pointed out, has some Mauser broomhandle features like his gun - the hammer is one of the first things that caught my eye.

                  The back of the slide also kind of reminds me of a little WW1 era Sauer and Sohn pistol I have down in the vault somewhere. As I recall, those weird little Frommer-Stop pistols also looked a little like this on the azz-end of the slide.
                  Last edited by Marcus von W.; 08-05-2013, 2:38 PM.

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                  • #10
                    pitfighter
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jul 2009
                    • 3141

                    I like it a lot -

                    I cannot get my head around that being Chinese, the bluing, finish and type set look European. Very nice find.
                    (Do you think the mystery Chinese pistol (instantly looks Chinese quality) could have been copied from this?)
                    What's with the screw heads, are they warped or just wide?
                    Last edited by pitfighter; 08-05-2013, 2:54 PM.
                    Pitfighter.
                    CA/AZ

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                    • #11
                      gun toting monkeyboy
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 6820

                      Originally posted by SVT-40
                      With no proofs it's most likely a Chinese copy.....

                      Still pretty neat!!
                      Not always. There were hundreds of little shops turning things like this out in Spain from the early 1900s through the Spanish Civil War. The lack of proofmarks can just mean that it came from one of those little shops. The grip angle and other design features scream Spanish influence.

                      -Mb
                      Originally posted by aplinker
                      It's OK not to post when you have no clue what you're talking about.

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