What does calif. consider a curio?

[1jester17]

With a gun, such as a Randall be considered a curio as they are no longer made, and they were less than 10,000 guns totally produced?

[Striker62]

50 years old is considered C&R

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/curios-relics

[The Gleam]

With a gun, such as a Randall be considered a curio as they are no longer made, and they were less than 10,000 guns totally produced?

California doesn't establish C&R (unless working against it) and I don't think ATF will take it up for C&R status either, though there have been guns that are less than 50 years old which were added to the C&R list due to collectors petitioning to get them added for one reason or another.

Walther TPH, certain Automag pistols, and CZ 82s come to mind, but there are others, and of course there are one-off guns that get added usually due to being custom or bespoke creations or have sigificant provenance.

The entirety of Randalls may not ever get special C&R status until ripe, but I would think it might be possible to get something like the Curtis E. LeMay model or the mirror-image left-handed model added as there were only a very few made - ( I have one laying around here somewhere but can't recall where I LEFT it! ) - or say the Magnum PI right/left matching set.







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[Striker62]

^ what Gleam stated^. The link I posted above provides information how a firearm less than 50 can be considered for C&R and how to obtain C&R classification. Also provide links showing C&R lists.

[sbo80]

CA doesn't "consider" anything. The Feds define what is C&R, and CA just follows that. The only thing CA does is place additional restrictions on C&Rs that the Feds do not (such as receiving a C&R firearm from across state lines).

[dfletcher]

A fair number of Winchester commemorative Model 94 rifles and S&W revolvers are C&R listed. This exempts the handguns from the CA roster. While S&W commemoratives can be on the garish side some are a bit more subdued. It's not a 44 Magnum, but the Model 544 is a 5" N frame in 44 caliber (44/40) and worth grabbing. No wait with your C&R/COE -



I have the target stocks, but given the barrel length I think service and the T grip work better.

[Librarian]

See also the frozen wiki article on 'antique firearms' http://web.archive.org/web/201910180...tique_Firearms

[TKM]

California doesn't establish C&R (unless working against it) and I don't think ATF will take it up for C&R status either, though there have been guns that are less than 50 years old which were added to the C&R list due to collectors petitioning to get them added for one reason or another.

Walther TPH, certain Automag pistols, and CZ 82s come to mind, but there are others, and of course there are one-off guns that get added usually due to being custom or bespoke creations or have sigificant provenance.

The entirety of Randalls may not ever get special C&R status until ripe, but I would think it might be possible to get something like the Curtis E. LeMay model or the mirror-image left-handed model added as there were only a very few made - ( I have one laying around here somewhere but can't recall where I LEFT it! ) - or say the Magnum PI right/left matching set.







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Less than 350 made.

[The Gleam]

Less than 350 made.

One of my favorite 'small' 1911 based guns.... and I have 8 extras of the finger-hook mags to match.






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[1jester17]

I have 11 in my collection, including a 9 mm Lemay and a left-handed Lemay. As I?m getting older, the executor of my estate lives in California and is going to have to dispose of them. Just looking for the legality of him selling them from there.

[The Gleam]

I have 11 in my collection, including a 9 mm Lemay and a left-handed Lemay. As I'm getting older, the executor of my estate lives in California and is going to have to dispose of them. Just looking for the legality of him selling them from there.

Are you in Texas? There's an avid collector in Texas that has beaten me out on a couple of auctions over the years on certain rare Randalls. He also often has several up for sale on Gunbroker at any given time.

Now if you can get the 9mm Left handed Lemay (Model B312) you would have the coup de grace (only 9 were made).

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[1jester17]

I?m in Az. Yes, I?ve had contact with the Texas collector. It?s good to find another Randall collector. I also have their dealer price lists, and advertising materials that listed some models that never went into production.