Buying deactivated Vickers etc

[humble servant]

[Yetiultimate]

A rubber repro is a couple $100 and a dewat gun is a couple $1000, generally speaking. International usually posts a few

https://www.ima-usa.com/

[humble servant]

A rubber repro is a couple $100 and a dewat gun is a couple $1000, generally speaking. International usually posts a few

https://www.ima-usa.com/

[pitfighter]

Dummy Vickers are about $4-$6K with tripod.

If you're researching on Gunbroker.com:

1. Deactivated is a term now used more in the UK - these completely inert guns aren't legal in the US as the receivers aren't destroyed to the correct BATF guidelines.

https://www.dandbmilitaria.com/deactivated-guns-and-antique-firearms/machine-guns-launchers/ww1/deactivated-old-spec-mg08-machine-gun-sn-1511

2. DEWAT is usually an NFA term, and refers to an NFA firearm.
(After the war "Deactivated War Trophies" often just had their barrels filled with lead, or were lightly welded. These were either registered in '68, or are contraband now.)
Registered DEWAT guns, firing or non-firing change hands for substantial figures.

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/forums/index.php?/topic/21893-wts-turk-vickers-any-interest-out-there/#comment-70677

3. In the US the receiver is the gun. The BATF has strict guidelines on destruction of the receiver.
We have DUMMY guns, parts kits built on a dummy receiver, or in the case of the Vickers a Dummy side plate.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/921299380

The side plate being the registered part on certain HMG's.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/917561692

4. There are also dummy guns built around an original receiver welded together with rebar or steel welded inside or solid replacement sections inserted, IMA used to sell these, don't see them so much anymore.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/920129814

5. There are also dummy guns that are 100% inert, with no moving parts that fire an acetylene flame.
I know a few who have imported these from the UK.
See - https://military-muckabouts.webs.com


I may also have a Vickers dummy for sale - no tripod unfortunately.
But, it will be North of $4K -

Good luck.

[humble servant]

Dummy Vickers are about $4-$6K with tripod.

If you're researching on Gunbroker.com:

1. Deactivated is a term now used more in the UK - these completely inert guns aren't legal in the US as the receivers aren't destroyed to the correct BATF guidelines.

https://www.dandbmilitaria.com/deactivated-guns-and-antique-firearms/machine-guns-launchers/ww1/deactivated-old-spec-mg08-machine-gun-sn-1511

2. DEWAT is usually an NFA term, and refers to an NFA firearm.
(After the war "Deactivated War Trophies" often just had their barrels filled with lead, or were lightly welded. These were either registered in '68, or are contraband now.)
Registered DEWAT guns, firing or non-firing change hands for substantial figures.

http://www.sturmgewehr.com/forums/index.php?/topic/21893-wts-turk-vickers-any-interest-out-there/#comment-70677

3. In the US the receiver is the gun. The BATF has strict guidelines on destruction of the receiver.
We have DUMMY guns, parts kits built on a dummy receiver, or in the case of the Vickers a Dummy side plate.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/921299380

The side plate being the registered part on certain HMG's.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/917561692

4. There are also dummy guns built around an original receiver welded together with rebar or steel welded inside or solid replacement sections inserted, IMA used to sell these, don't see them so much anymore.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/920129814

5. There are also dummy guns that are 100% inert, with no moving parts that fire an acetylene flame.
I know a few who have imported these from the UK.
See - https://military-muckabouts.webs.com


I may also have a Vickers dummy for sale - no tripod unfortunately.
But, it will be North of $4K -

Good luck.

Very informative. I obviously was pretty uneducated on the subject.

Upon further review I think I’ll just display what I have. I don’t have the budget for a “dummy” Vickers or anything of that ilk.

I would like to have something like that displayed prominently in my home someday when maybe the finances allow.

(EDIT) Muchabouts looks like a very good alternative. Shipping to the U.S. might be expensive though. I will email them tonight.

Thanks Pit Fighter.

[Quiet]

I would like to have something like that displayed prominently in my home someday when maybe the finances allow.
(EDIT) Muchabouts looks like a very good alternative. Shipping to the U.S. might be expensive though. I will email them tonight.

FYI.
Those fall under CA imitation firearm laws.

Penal Code 16700
(a)(1) As used in this part, “imitation firearm” means any BB device, toy gun, replica of a firearm, or other device that is so substantially similar in coloration and overall appearance to an existing firearm as to lead a reasonable person to perceive that the device is a firearm.

Penal Code 20150
(a) Any person who changes, alters, removes, or obliterates any coloration or markings that are required by any applicable state or federal law or regulation, for any imitation firearm, or any device described in subdivision (b) of Section 16700, in a way that makes the imitation firearm or device look more like a firearm, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(b) This section does not apply to a manufacturer, importer, or distributor of imitation firearms.
(c) This section does not apply to lawful use in theatrical productions, including motion pictures, television, and stage productions.

Penal Code 20160
(a) Any imitation firearm manufactured after July 1, 2005, shall, at the time of offer for sale in this state, be accompanied by a conspicuous advisory in writing as part of the packaging, but not necessarily affixed to the imitation firearm, to the effect that the product may be mistaken for a firearm by law enforcement officers or others, that altering the coloration or markings required by state or federal law or regulations so as to make the product look more like a firearm is dangerous, and may be a crime, and that brandishing or displaying the product in public may cause confusion and may be a crime.

Penal Code 20170
(a) No person may openly display or expose any imitation firearm in a public place.
(b) As used in this section, “public place” means an area open to the public and includes any of the following:
(1) A street.
(2) A sidewalk.
(3) A bridge.
(4) An alley.
(5) A plaza.
(6) A park.
(7) A driveway.
(8) A front yard.
(9) A parking lot.
(10) An automobile, whether moving or not.
(11) A building open to the general public, including one that serves food or drink, or provides entertainment.
(12) A doorway or entrance to a building or dwelling.
(13) A public school.
(14) A public or private college or university.

Penal Code 20175
Section 20170 does not apply in any of the following circumstances:
(a) The imitation firearm is packaged or concealed so that it is not subject to public viewing.
(b) The imitation firearm is displayed or exposed in the course of commerce, including a commercial film or video production, or for service, repair, or restoration of the imitation firearm.
(c) The imitation firearm is used in a theatrical production, a motion picture, video, television, or stage production.
(d) The imitation firearm is used in conjunction with a certified or regulated sporting event or competition.
(e) The imitation firearm is used in conjunction with lawful hunting, or a lawful pest control activity.
(f) The imitation firearm is used or possessed at a certified or regulated public or private shooting range.
(g) The imitation firearm is used at a fair, exhibition, exposition, or other similar activity for which a permit has been obtained from a local or state government.
(h) The imitation firearm is used in a military, civil defense, or civic activity, including a flag ceremony, color guard, parade, award presentation, historical reenactment, or memorial.
(i) The imitation firearm is used for a public display authorized by a public or private school or a display that is part of a museum collection.
(j) The imitation firearm is used in a parade, ceremony, or other similar activity for which a permit has been obtained from a local or state government.
(k) The imitation firearm is displayed on a wall plaque or in a presentation case.
(l) The imitation firearm is used in an area where the discharge of a firearm is lawful.
(m) The entire exterior surface of the imitation firearm is white, bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright green, bright blue, bright pink, or bright purple, either singly or as the predominant color in combination with other colors in any pattern, or the entire device is constructed of transparent or translucent material that permits unmistakable observation of the device’s complete contents. Merely having an orange tip as provided in federal law and regulations does not satisfy this requirement. The entire surface must be colored or transparent or translucent.

[humble servant]

FYI.
Those fall under CA imitation firearm laws.

Penal Code 16700Penal Code 20150
(a) Any person who changes, alters, removes, or obliterates any coloration or markings that are required by any applicable state or federal law or regulation, for any imitation firearm, or any device described in subdivision (b) of Section 16700, in a way that makes the imitation firearm or device look more like a firearm, is guilty of a misdemeanor.
(b) This section does not apply to a manufacturer, importer, or distributor of imitation firearms.
(c) This section does not apply to lawful use in theatrical productions, including motion pictures, television, and stage productions.

Penal Code 20160
(a) Any imitation firearm manufactured after July 1, 2005, shall, at the time of offer for sale in this state, be accompanied by a conspicuous advisory in writing as part of the packaging, but not necessarily affixed to the imitation firearm, to the effect that the product may be mistaken for a firearm by law enforcement officers or others, that altering the coloration or markings required by state or federal law or regulations so as to make the product look more like a firearm is dangerous, and may be a crime, and that brandishing or displaying the product in public may cause confusion and may be a crime.

Penal Code 20170Penal Code 20175