RE LOAD 762 54R

[NOTABIKER]

i I want to use Win 760 or IMR 4895 because i have it, having no luck with finding loading tables with this powder.
what is a safe load using 165 gr bullets.
I posted here because i doubt many reload 7.62 54r
Shooting a 91 30

[ironhorse1]

Lyman #3 states to use 30-06 loads for the 7.62 r . I find that statement interesting.

30/06 data for 165 grain shows.

IMR 4895 43 grains max 48.5
760 BR 53 grains max 58

In my somewhat newer Lyman manual There are loads for 150 and 180 grain jacketed bullets with IMR 4895 in the 7.62 R

150 start 43 grains max 48 grains

180 start 41 grains max 45 grains

I hope that is enough data to find a load for a 165 grain jacketed bullet.

irh

[jeremyro]

I use 53Gr of Win 760 under a 150 for a pretty mild load in my 91/30. I would think something in the 53-56 area will get you sorted.

[mj1]

Did you check Hogdon 4895 loads for 168g SMK .30 cal. ? There are tons of load data out there. Why 165g ? Go with the flow. Try 150g Game King .311" or Honady .312" 150s.

What rifle exactly ? They will run .308" to .312" bores so what do you have ?

Asking for a friend.

Good luck and start low and work up but then you know that.

[Solidsnake87]

i I want to use Win 760 or IMR 4895 because i have it, having no luck with finding loading tables with this powder.
what is a safe load using 165 gr bullets.
I posted here because i doubt many reload 7.62 54r
Shooting a 91 30

I don't have any data for that powder, but I do shoot a mosin sniper at the Sac Valley 1000 yard range for funsies on occasion. I load quite a bit for mosins. The best accuracy load Ive found is 42.5 grains of Varget with the 174gn sierra .311 hpbt matchking. Gets 0.3" 100 yd groups in my sniper and 2550 fps velocity. Groups open up slightly beyond 800 yards in winter, but still accurate enough to stay on a silhouette. Ive found that .308 diameter bullets get terrible accuracy in mosins because the bullet is too small. I discovered the tip about .311 bullets online and it was a gamechanger for accuracy, just fyi.

[NOTABIKER]

great above info, many thanks. Problem right now is supplies. Been looking for .311 bullets .

[eagle eye]

great above info, many thanks. Problem right now is supplies. Been looking for .311 bullets .

Try midway, selway

http://www.selwayarmory.com/barnes-bullets-303-caliber-7-65mm-311-diameter-150-gr-tsx-hollow-point-flat-base-lead-free-box-of-50.html

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1010418370

[Mustang]

I checked a couple of my older reloading manuals...Lee's second edition lists a start load of 44 grains of Hogdon 4895 for a 165 gr bullet and a never exceed of 47gr.

Hornady 7th edition lists a start load of 37.6 of Hodgdon 4895, with a max of 43.7 for 165-168 gr bullets...which is quite a bit less than the Lee numbers.

Hornady lists start load of 46.5 with a max load of 54.6 of Win 760 for the same bullet weight.

[Mustang]

I do agree with others, however thatyou should find some .311/.312 bullets for Mosin reloading.

I've only reloaded for my Finnish Mosins, which generally have tighter bores than the Russians (or so I've read) and had great luck with the Hornady #3131 .3105 174 gr FMJ bullets.

I do shoot in a Vintage Military Silhouette match, however, in which FMJ's are not allowed, and had pretty good luck with the Sierra 174 gr MK's in those matches.

[Tom-ADC]

I used Varget and H4895.

[Mustang]

great above info, many thanks. Problem right now is supplies. Been looking for .311 bullets .

Graf and Sons has some...

https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/25654

https://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/product/productId/9561

[hambam105]

Tom-ADC

You can tell me about the load charge for the cast bullets in a Mosin by posting the info here.
I won't tell anybody.

Anyone else here ever convert 54R brass primer berdan primer pocket to boxer using a brass sleeve?

[Tom-ADC]

Tom-ADC

You can tell me about the load charge for the cast bullets in a Mosin by posting the info here.
I won't tell anybody.

Anyone else here ever convert 54R brass primer berdan primer pocket to boxer using a brass sleeve?

This is from Lyman Cast Bullets #4. I was thinking castbullets to be range friendly when I had a bunch of the magnetic rounds.

[Chris_H89]

Some of the old editions of the Hornady reloading manual (3rd and 4th editions) are on archive.org. The 4th edition has data for 165 grain bullets on pg 334. However, it's probably worth noting that it lists the 7.62x54R as using .308" diameter bullets and not the .312 more normal for that cartridge. (just as with the above photos from Hornady books)

https://archive.org/details/HornadyHandbookOfCartridgeReloading4thEditionVolume1/page/n347/mode/2up

(for the most part the 3rd and 4th editions seem similar for load data, though the 4th adds BC figures)

4th edition lists:
39.9 gr start load and 48.3 gr max for 165 gr #3040 SP or #3045 BTSP
(also intermediate loads of 42, 44.1, and 46.2 grains are listed as well).

That's a higher start and much higher max load than the 7th edition Mustang posted above (though the Win 760 max load is 54.2 gr in 4th edition vs his citation of 54.6 in 7th). 48.3 is also higher than the 47 gr max in the lee manual shown.

The newer Hornady manual seems to be a lot more conservative, though does explicitly list IMR 4895 as well. OTOH it still cites a .308" bullet diameter.

As also mentioned above, it's H4895 and not IMR and there is a difference. From others experiences (and powder burn rate charts) the difference might often be small enough to not be an issue, but there are particular cases there H4895 becomes problematic (.25 Remington loads are one example where some extensive testing was done and H4895 did some weird things in their Remington Model 30, and they ended up settling on IMR 3031 being much better behaved in that case, not having IMR 4895 available at the time, though others commented they'd had good results with IMR 4895)

This chat puts H4895 as slightly faster than IMR 4895:

http://accurateshooter.net/pix/burnrate2019op.png

That seems to fit with the 7th Edition Hornady Manual listing higher charge weights for IMR than H 4895, even though the charge weights are still significantly lower than the old 3rd and 4th edition manuals (from 1980 and 1991). Oddly enough, those older manuals also include 3031 loads that are absent in the newer one. (36.7 start, 43.3 gr max)