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  • Danomite556
    Member
    • May 2013
    • 189

    AR Pistol Engraving Help

    I have a 80% lower that im going to use to make my AR Pistol. I got it raw and I am going to engrave it before I get it anodized. I want to put all the proper information on it as if I was going to register it. I think it would look professional and legit. What info do I need on it? Of course I will put some kool design on it as well but I want all the info on it before I anodize it. Is putting PISTOL on the side of it a must as well?

    Thanks!
  • #2
    MrPlink
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Mar 2010
    • 12532

    Your name, city and state where it was made, and a serial. There are depth and size requirements as well.
    Check the gunsmith forum for the sticky
    The California Moderate Centrist Militia member in exile

    disclaimer:
    everything I post is for arguendo and entertainment purposes only, and should not be construed to be legal advice

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    • #3
      Spoilerv2
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2008
      • 542

      When I did my 80%, I didn't place an "pistol" engraving on it. To my understanding as long as the receiver was never built into a rifle, you' re gtg into building it initially into a SSE pistol with no engravings of any short.

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      • #4
        drptpgt
        Member
        • Feb 2012
        • 181

        Wouldn't hurt to put PISTOL on it if you're going to keep it a pistol. Might help or even deter someone from buying it from you in the future if you ever decide to sell it. I say go for it. Lots of people out there going the AR pistol route nowadays...

        But yes, like MRPLINK said...
        -Name
        -City & State where you made the pistol
        -Serial #

        Those are the MUSTS...ONLY if you want to sell it. BUT you don't have to put any engravings on it at all!

        Got mine engraved with serial# and multi cal.

        Joey

        Last edited by drptpgt; 06-27-2013, 8:36 PM.

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        • #5
          Danomite556
          Member
          • May 2013
          • 189

          Nice Pistol drp! Thanks MrPlink, I honestly didnt know where to look and I did try the search. Does It have to be my full first and last name? I see people doing stuff like Smith Arms or Smith Industries? and do I just pick my own serial number?

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          • #6
            drptpgt
            Member
            • Feb 2012
            • 181

            I think your last name would be enough (don't quote me on it). That's what I would do if I ever decide to sell the whole pistol.

            Like you said, those company names don't have full names on them.

            Joey

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            • #7
              Arkangel
              Veteran Member
              • May 2010
              • 4458

              Originally posted by Danomite556
              Does It have to be my full first and last name?
              That's up to you. I used my last name as part of a fictitious company

              Originally posted by Danomite556
              I see people doing stuff like Smith Arms or Smith Industries?
              Yup, that's what I did.

              Originally posted by Danomite556
              and do I just pick my own serial number?
              Yes. It can be whatever you want.
              _██_
              (ಠ_ృ) riveting tale, chap.

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              • #8
                crazyucbr
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2012
                • 794

                Ill let you use my last name. Free of charge.
                "get that evil thing out of the house"

                FFLs/Store I support and recommend:
                Don at Straightline Tactical in Anaheim
                Steve at OC Firearms in Fountain Valley.

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                • #9
                  MrPlink
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 12532

                  Marking it as a pistol does absolutely nothing on any legal level. Mark it as an aircraft carrier, thermonuclear doomsday device, full auto m2hb, hell engrave on it "this firearm is 100percernt illegal" if you like, it does not mean a thing
                  The California Moderate Centrist Militia member in exile

                  disclaimer:
                  everything I post is for arguendo and entertainment purposes only, and should not be construed to be legal advice

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                  • #10
                    ke6guj
                    Moderator
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 23725

                    Originally posted by Arkangel
                    That's up to you. I used my last name as part of a fictitious company
                    thats fine up until you decide to transfer it to someone else. Then, ATF says that it must have your first and last name on it. maybe if you had a fictitious name on file for that fictitious company, that would be ok.
                    Jack



                    Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                    No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                    • #11
                      Quiet
                      retired Goon
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 30241

                      AFAIK...
                      You can also use your initials (first, middle, last).
                      sigpic

                      "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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                      • #12
                        Quiet
                        retired Goon
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 30241

                        Federal laws/regulations...

                        27 CFR 479.102
                        (a) You, as a manufacturer, importer, or maker of a firearm, must legibly identify the firearm as follows:
                        (1) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed) or placed on the frame or receiver thereof an individual serial number. The serial number must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered, or removed, and must not duplicate any serial number placed by you on any other firearm. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and
                        (2) By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes:
                        (i) The model, if such designation has been made;
                        (ii) The caliber or gauge;
                        (iii) Your name (or recognized abbreviation) and also, when applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker;
                        (iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and
                        (v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (or recognized abbreviation thereof) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134.
                        (b) The depth of all markings required by this section will be measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges. The height of serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section will be measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of the character impression bottoms (bases).
                        sigpic

                        "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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                        • #13
                          Quiet
                          retired Goon
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 30241

                          CA laws...

                          Penal Code 27530
                          No person shall sell or otherwise transfer ownership in a handgun unless the firearm bears either:
                          (a) The name of the manufacturer, the manufacturer's make or model, and a manufacturer's serial number assigned to that firearm.
                          (b) The identification number or mark assigned to the firearm by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 23910.
                          sigpic

                          "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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