Have you been stopped/checked at the range, AW????

[MultiCaliber]

I've been asked once by a RSO if my OLL rifle had a bullet button. Since he was asking it's clear he hadn't bothered looking at it, and I did have every evil feature in existence on it save for a flare launcher. I said "Yup." He said "Ok. Have fun."

[tacticalcity]

Ive been to a few public ranges and a couple private ranges in Northern CA and never a look. I did have a green full size with the weird light on top looking at the line with Bino's once in Oroville though. But hell if I were a cop in Oroville I wouldn't get near that line with out a metric *** ton of backup.

I doubt Parks was looking for bullet buttons with binos. Probably just making sure people where being safe and also that they were not littering. Trash is a major concern for open ranges and Oroville has been trying to crack down on it. The CHP would probably handle any firearms related incidents at the Oroville Range. They patrol that area. Had them in my rear view on that road many times while on my way to the range. Never bothered me. Just made sure I was driving safely.

[tuna quesadilla]

my buddy got pulled over by CHP on the way home from the range sometime last year. Cop asked if he has any guns in the vehicle because he saw the gun bag in the car (89-91 civic hatchback, no hatch cover). My buddy says Yes"Am I being detained, officer?" and cops asks him to take out the rifle and show him. Cop tells him everything on his perfectly legal ar15 that its illegal because it has vertical grip, pistol grip, flash hider etc..even tho it has a bullet button with an empty 10rd mag in it. He tried explaining that its legal because it has a button button and 10rd mag but cop didn't care, took his ar15, told him his dad has to be present because the rifle wasn't his, and if he brought his dad down to the police station with proof of purchase of the rifle then he can have it back.

My buddy was 20yr old at the time and his dad had bought him the lower receiver because he wasn't legal to buy a lower. He went to the police station with the AW flowcharts in hand, receipt for lower and the Sac memo Bullet button and they handed him his rifle back no questions asked

[jbush]

I have to agree with capybilly on the gun laws being vague. Some 12 years ago my son and his friend both 19 took my wife van, and 5 of my rifles to a legal shooting are in the NF. I had mapped the drive out for him and he had a flyer from a local gun store with directions. Upon returning about 8:30 pm they had dinner at his friends house, ran into another friend and sat outside talking til about 10:30. My son was in the vans driver seat, his friends outside the van. A police car showed up, said he got a call of underage drinking in a park next to where he was parked. The officer ask to check the van for alcohol, my son told him that was fine, but there were guns in the back of the van, as they had just came back from shooting. He did'nt want to freak the cop out by finding them on his own.

Long story short, this officer arrested my kid for concealed weapon & legal transport. He confiscated the guns and impounded my van. When I went to bail him out, the booking officer saw it completely different and signed him out on an OR, and told me I could get the van out of impound in the morning.

3 days later it was assigned to a detective who saw no illegal act at all and had me come get the guns and made it all go away. 3 officers all intrepreting the law differently.

I had contacted a lawyer who handles alot of firearms cases and he said 10 people will read the law on how a firearm should be transported and you'll get 10 different answers how it should be done. Especially with a van that doesn't have a lockable trunk, separate from the passenger area.

Was the street cop wrong? As the detective explained, 3 19 year old kids he's never seen before, have 5 guns in a van, 10:30 at night about a mile and a half from an area that has some gang issues. You have to assume that 80% of the time when the street cop questions someone, he's lied to, and you don't know how bad that cops night had been. His thought was that the street cop couldn't verify stories, so he got the guns off the street and let the higher ups sort it out in the next day or so. Maybe it was wrong, but if I put myself in his shoes, I can see where he was coming from.

Yes, I carry my paperwork with me. Why go through the hassle of someone elses intrepretation, when you can put it right in front of them if ask. You never know how bad that cops day has been, or what other issues he's had to deal with that day, if he pulls you over for something.

[Rebellious]

yea, thats probably a good idea. ive heard some stories about LEO's assuming a california legal firearm is illegal, and it turning into a very expensive court process for the owner.

I don't carry paperwork for my blackies, its 2011...people been living under a rock? If the leo doesn't know they are legal by now, he probably shouldn't be a leo. If he chooses to make it a deal its going to be a very expensive lesson on the city's behalf and the leo, not mine.

[Cokebottle]

I don't carry paperwork for my blackies, its 2011...people been living under a rock? If the leo doesn't know they are legal by now, he probably shouldn't be a leo. If he chooses to make it a deal its going to be a very expensive lesson on the city's behalf and the leo, not mine.

It hasn't been that long.

http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Orange-County-AW-Training-Bulletin-2010-01-12.pdf

Note the date on the document.... just over a year ago.
This memo was spawned by the dismissal of charges and eventual return of a Stag AR15-pattern rifle to Calguns member "Stan"
Stan getting his gun back was quite literally a "Christmas present" to all of us.

[jbush]

You can't expect every leo to know every law and regulation on the books. I go to my business lawyers office and he has volumes (a room full) of law books, because he can't know every law out there, even in his specialty. I have much better things to do with my time then try and challenge someone elses intrepretation of the laws. And I say intrepretation, because in the field it often becomes a your word against his on how the law is intrepreted. Show them the paperwork, and you now have an educated leo, and you saved yourself alot of time and headache.

[B Strong]

Once when signing in at Coyote Point in San Mateo. The guy at the window needed to see my reg paper. Also once at Jackson Arms the guy at the counter where they give you your shooting supplies needed to see the paper.

That's the SOP at both rangrs.

Lots of interested parties have shown interest in my gea while shootingr, no offical interest.

[MrExel17]

Never,+1 on a lot of mis info at the range

[locosway]

You can't expect every leo to know every law and regulation on the books. I go to my business lawyers office and he has volumes (a room full) of law books, because he can't know every law out there, even in his specialty. I have much better things to do with my time then try and challenge someone elses intrepretation of the laws. And I say intrepretation, because in the field it often becomes a your word against his on how the law is intrepreted. Show them the paperwork, and you now have an educated leo, and you saved yourself alot of time and headache.

You should be able to expect this. If a LEO can't remember the laws they're tasked to enforce then there are far too many laws. Qualified Immunity needs to go away too. It's ridiculous that I can be arrested for not knowing the law, but a LEO can arrest me and have no repercussions if they don't know the law.

[Z.1]

Once, at Circle S in Petaluma when the RSO was checking the line after cease fire, he looked at my AR and casually said, "you can have that gun, but you're really not supposed to have those magazines" (referring to my 10/30 pmag) I explained that it was only a 10 rounder, to which he muttered something about a "banana clip". I laughed and he went on his way

[aklon]

Only once, at Davis Street in San Leandro. I have a registered pre-ban and I never go anywhere without the papers, and one afternoon a guy stands next to me and when I dropped the empty magazine he exclaimed: "That's an assault rifle!"

Me: "... and?"

Him: "WE don't like to see civilians with a rifle like that."

Me: "And who is 'we'?"

Him: "Police; I work for Albany."

Me: "Just a moment, let me show you something." I display the registration papers. "See? I paid the $20 and gave them my thumb print, so this is perfectly legal for me to take to the range."

Him: grinding teeth in imopotent rage he goes away muttering and cursing.

[KIDRR]

How would anyone be able to tell if you had it "pre ban" or not? Some of us older 30yr+ guys could legally own the hi caps and detach mags.

But no, no one to date has checked me.

[WW2Buff]

No.

[Cokebottle]

You can't expect every leo to know every law and regulation on the books.

That has been the topic of many heated threads here, and the cause of more than one member being banned.

But short story....

It is their job to enforce the law. To do that, they must know the law. That is part of their job.
It is our job to obey the law.
I know the laws pertaining to my job.
I know nothing of the laws pertaining to a landscaper or a car salesman.

But if an officer is going to be proactive at a range and check weapons for violations of the law, he had damned well better know those laws inside and out. The situation being described is completely different than an incidental discovery of what may or may not be an illegal weapon during a traffic stop or domestic dispute.