featureless is better than fixed mag?

[Angrysnarf]

Yes.....or get a good extended mag release

Mid length upper is perfect no tuning needed.

[Angrysnarf]

Just move my right hand forward and press the mag release button. Ok I guess that means I have to take my hand off the stock and that's not tactical, but good thing my day job isn't tactical.







I've never had to use any of those advanced thingamajiggys to fine tune anything, my ARs just work. I guess they're not advanced enough.

Same here I shoot lefty so I use the thumb of my right hand to remove mag. Similar to AK mag.

Agreed on the second part.

[M76]

Featureless makes for a better range experience for bench shooting

[NorCalRefuge]

I would like to see that with a double feed, just lock the bolt back haha.

I prefer the other.

Not my video (obviously) but double feeds with an ARMaglock are a non-issue. Seriously... put this myth to bed please.

(double feel clearing starts around 1:29)

A lot of the "Featureless Rocks and Fixed Mag Sucks!" rhetoric is predicated on OLD original design mag locking devices which were definitely far from ideal and flat-out could not handle double feeds (among a plethora of other common issues) without a full disassemble of the firearm. None of these issues exist on modern generation fixed mag devices, such as ARMaglock (there are others, I just have no experience with them so can't comment). ARMaglock requires less than a millimeter of gap between upper and lower receivers for the little paddle thing to slot into, allowing you to fully press the mag release button. If you use a takedown pin that catches your upper and holds it there (with that micro-gap open), then mag swaps become nearly as fast as a normal mag release.

The only advantage to Featureless as far as I can see, considering modern fixed mag devices and pins, is the ability to legally use standard capacity magazines. If you don't have any of those... then I see no reason to prefer Featureless these days - hobbling your rifle in every aspect in exchange for millisecond faster mag swaps... as-if you're shooting competition every day or like to get into gun fights...

[W.R.Buchanan]

Depends. There are arguments for both. I had a type 3 with my ar maglock and kingpin. Jusy locked the bolt back and popped the rear, dropped the mag no issues

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And the bolt stayed locked back? right?

IF you get a Type 3 double feed with a bastardized AR you are screwed!

I guess if you have 3 hands you can hold teh bolt open with the charging handle and one of your extra hands and then drop the mag and fish out the offending round with the other 2.

after watching the video above I can see how they do it. How many of you actually have one of these?

If the ban all AR's how will this change anything?

Randy

[NorCalRefuge]

And the bolt stayed locked back? right?

IF you get a Type 3 double feed with a bastardized AR you are screwed!

I guess if you have 3 hands you can hold teh bolt open with the charging handle and one of your extra hands and then drop the mag and fish out the offending round with the other 2.

after watching the video above I can see how they do it. How many of you actually have one of these?

If the ban all AR's how will this change anything?

Randy

Yes, the bolt remains locked back, even when the upper/lower are "popped open". Clearing malfunctions with one of these is the same as with a non-maglocked AR.

For me, the only noticeable difference between this and a regular AR is having to "close" the receiver after a mag swap. Fortunately, that happens naturally without any extra motions.

1) Bolt locks back on final round
2) Squeeze Kingpin + Mag Release at same time -> Receiver opens a smidge and mag drops free
3) Load new mag
4) Drop bolt with bolt release like normal
5) Place your weak hand on the rifle handguard like normal, with a slight upwards pressure to close the receiver
6) Shoot!

Really, step 5 happens all on it's own. As you go to reposition your hand on the handguard, it naturally closes itself. You are, after all, at the long end of a fulcrum, making the upwards motion needed to close the receiver extremely minimal.

It's really a great setup for fixed-mag builds.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

It is a priority question:

If your priority is guns that look scary and authentic while mugging for photos and impressing friends and family = Fixed

If your priority is defensive functionality of the weapon as it was designed = Featureless

[NorCalRefuge]

It is a priority question:

If your priority is guns that look scary and authentic while mugging for photos and impressing friends and family = Fixed

If your priority is defensive functionality of the weapon as it was designed = Featureless

We could easily flip this on it's head.

Defensive functionality is far superior with a rifle that has a flash hider attached to it, a normal pistol grip, and a foregrip or whatever kind you want.

You trade off a lot of actual functionality and defensive abilities, all so you can swap a mag a millisecond faster in some fantasized home-defense multi-mag-dumping shooting spree. It's not like the parts you cannot attach to a featureless rifle have no purpose... turns out the exact parts LEO and MIL want to use for offensive AND defensive purposes also fit the home/self defense use-case perfectly. Gee, I wonder why that might be???

Featureless is literally the worst at everything. It's louder (with a muzzle brake), it'll blind you in the night, it's not ergonomic, nor can you easily control the rifle with the absence of both a pistol grip and vertical foregrip... but you have 30 bullets! Wait, you don't own Freedom Week Mags? So now you just have 10 rounds like the featured rifles... except you have to hug a tree-trunk of a stock plus all the other downsides too. What fun...

But, but, but I can convert my featureless back into featured in under an hour for when the government collapses and zombies roam the land! Ya? I don't think you can best unscrewing a mag release button and screwing on a new one... like maybe 30 seconds at most? Come on folks...

Plus... Featureless looks dumb. Icing on the cake...

[Rifle ronin]

I go featureless. The big problem with fight-lite scr is its to proprietary. Parts will always be iffy, if at all, hard to find in any type of panic/ law requirements/ pandemic buying time. At least with a featureless, most parts will be available fairly soon if you weren't stocked up already.

[jimbo74]

I would like to see that with a double feed, just lock the bolt back haha.



I prefer the other.

Look it up. Youtube is your friend.

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[jimbo74]

And the bolt stayed locked back? right?

IF you get a Type 3 double feed with a bastardized AR you are screwed!

I guess if you have 3 hands you can hold teh bolt open with the charging handle and one of your extra hands and then drop the mag and fish out the offending round with the other 2.

after watching the video above I can see how they do it. How many of you actually have one of these?

If the ban all AR's how will this change anything?

Randy

Yup. That's what happens when you lock it back. Just like what I said.

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[rds95991]

Don't mean to steal the thread and just for my clarification: So AR Maglocks allow you to avoid registration? Of you still have to register but get to keep them.

[NorCalRefuge]

Don't mean to steal the thread and just for my clarification: So AR Maglocks allow you to avoid registration? Of you still have to register but get to keep them.

Fixed-Magazine devices allow you to be legal without having to go the "featureless" path. Both Fixed-Magazine and Featureless Rifles are not considered Assault Weapons in California and do not require Assault Weapon Registration.

The law says something about "Firearm action must be disassembled to remove the magazine" - that's what ARMaglock (and others) seek to do - making it impossible to remove the magazine without disassembling the action, which on an AR just requires separating the lower and upper receivers.

So, something like an ARMaglock + Patriot Pin/Kingpin/Hellfighter/et al is a great way to keep your AR legal in California and not require Assault Weapon Registration (since the legal definition of an Assault Rifle to the state of California requires a removable magazine + another "feature" such as a pistol grip, etc).

IANAL

[rds95991]

Thank you. Hope they don't change the rules again.

[kcheung2]

Don't mean to steal the thread and just for my clarification: So AR Maglocks allow you to avoid registration? Of you still have to register but get to keep them.

1) The AW registration window is closed, so you can't register right now even if you wanted to.

2) Both featureless and fixed mag setups are compliance methods. Since registration is closed, a new AR/AK owner must chose one of the above methods.

however...it's likely that the AW registration window will open again in a few months because CA lost a law suit. Read the Legal section for (the few) details. So if one feels that being on a naughty list controlled by a D supermajority is fine, there's that option.