San Joaquin

[zWade]

What do you mean he's MIA?

I wanted to wait until after the gun show to answer you. Not a single Withrow bumpersticker at the gun show that I saw. .. no emails back from any of his staff and I sent a couple. Presumably people at gun shows / NRA events would be people Withrow is supposedly interested in correct? Kiss some babies, shake some hands, pass out some bumper stickers.

Moore is not retiring. Hes running and is a Goliath.. but no Withrow anywhere other than a few farmer signs. That's what I mean by MIA.

Its early so I am still wait and see. We still dont have a confirmed CCW with "self defense" GC being issued that I know of...

[AcampoJim]

Presumably people at gun shows / NRA events would be people Withrow is supposedly interested in correct? Kiss some babies, shake some hands, pass out some bumper stickers.
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Except that I would hazard to bet that he is not a member of the NRA(or even crpa) or if he is he likely joined in the last year or two....if would be interesting to find out if the man who cares soooo deeply about our 2nd amendment rights if a long time(or even life) member of the largest gun rights organization in the world....

Incidently, when I asked this exact question of Sheriff Moore at an NRA dinner 3 or 4 years ago....I was found out that not only is he an NRA member....but he is a life member to boot and has been for quite some time.....

[Heatseeker]

Moore's life member status really conflicts with his past (lack of)support of the 2nd Amendment.

[Zamble]

Past lack of support.

[Heatseeker]

I just spoke with a member of Pat Withrow's campaign staff. If anyone wants a yard sign, PM me for his phone number. Also, there is a fundraising dinner planned for April 12th. Steak, catfish and blues. $50 a head. My wife and I are planning to attend. For those that want to support Pat's effort, I urge you to attend as well. Maybe we can have a couple of Calguns tables.

[k6withrow]

Zamble....I tend to disagree.....I think the genie is out of the bottle and can't be put back....the sheer fact that Sheriff Moore seems to be dedicating resources to getting the ccw's processed looks to me like he is sincere....I don't think this any more political than Withrow's ccw position is. Withrow is is promising ccw's to get votes. Nothing more, nothing less. At least Sheriff Moore is executing. Plus....I go to the Friends of the NRA Stockton/Lodi event every year it has been held for the last 10 years. I have seen Sheriff Moore there just about every year for the last 10 years. I have never seen Withrow there. NEVER!! If Withrow is such a 2nd amendment supporter, perhaps he will show you his NRA Life membership card. What you wanna bet he isn't a life member? Or even an NRA or even CRPA member?

Hello everybody, Pat Withrow here, sorry I've been away for awhile, but I've been out campaigning hard. I wanted to address some of the comments, questions, and false statements being made. The one thing that is true is that I am not a life-time member of the NRA or CRPA. I was not raised a hunter, nor was I exposed to firearms until I joined the Sheriff's department 26 years ago. I have always been a staunch supporter of our Second Amendment rights and my 19 years of street experience (12 as a canine and five on SWAT) even strengthened that. The three shootings that I have been involved in so far and the hundreds of violent confrontations throughout my career obviously give me a different perspective than a leader who spent his entire career behind a desk. A membership in an organization, however great the organization, does not mean that that member will support the goals and views of that organization, as evidenced by Mr. Moore's professed support of CCW's in his first run for Sheriff and then the 8 years of denying our citizens the right to protect themselves and their neighbors. As it so happens, I just met with the CRPA (and though the NRA could not make it, Tom said he would relay the information back to the NRA) and Gun Owners of California, and we will wait to see which candidate they support. Needless to say, the meetings went very well and we should all know soon.
Again, I just want to make this perfectly clear: I believe people have a right to protect themselves and their neighbors because I have lived it, not just because I have read about it in an organization's literature like Mr. Moore has. Feel free to believe whatever you want, but just ask any of the men and women of law enforcement that I have worked side by side with for 26 years.

[k6withrow]

@zamble....did you not read the previous post?? The genie is out of the bottle...he can't go back!! Plus Withrow is saying anything you want to hear that he thinks will get him elected...you don't think so?? His statements about building modulars for the jail can't be done in California. California correctional standards(and state law) DO NOT allow it. Don't believe it? Go look it up yourself.

As for "a decent share of the deputies support him"....who told you that? Pat Withrow? Ask him to post publicly available links that show the numbers. I bet he doesn't. For that matter, ask him to post links substantiating that any of his ideas are valid. You believe in him? Great. I respect your opinion. Just don't be misled by someone who will say anything to get elected and has no administrative/finance or big picture experience. For me, I would rather have an experienced, seasoned administrator running a $100 million dollar company than a staff level supervisor.

As for my modular plan, Heatseeker is absolutely correct. Title 24 gives us the basic guidelines as to how our facility needs to be built so that it is legal in CA. We simply follow the standards set by the state in our design of our modular facility and it is obviously legal, just as it was for the 10 years that modular facilities were used just over the hill in Livermore at the Santa Rita facility.
As for whether or not I have the support of "a decent share of the deputies," you can refer to the following links: http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...WS%2F208190314

http://www.withrowforsheriff.com/index-7.html

And keep in mind that as of this date, the Deputy Sheriff's Association has donated $75,000 to replace their current leader, and the Correctional Officers Association, who endorsed last week, just donated $6,000. The civilian staff at the office are represented by SEIU, and the entire membership of SEIU has also endorsed my campaign.
As for the claim that I have "no administrative/finance experience," I currently run the Alternative Work Program (AWP) and the Community Corps program at our department. Prior to my leadership over those programs, Mr. Moore's leadership nearly bankrupted the inmate welfare fund, which receives much of its funds from the Community Corps program, and AWP's million-dollar budget was losing $350,000 a year of tax payers' money. Both program's have now been turned around to be profitable, and the AWP now has a profit of over $200,000 a year.
As far as big picture experience, Mr. Moore has lost an $80 million jail facility, costing the county tax payers $9 million, and has now lost a $33.3 million jail proposal, costing county tax payers unknown amounts of money. And we still, in 8 years, have not one new bed to hold criminals. Mr. Moore also continues to have the highest escape rate we have ever had at the honor farm, and in these eight years, still does not close the FRONT GATE to the honor farm. Yesterday, we learned Mr. Moore is not extraditing criminals wanted for murder who have victimized our friends and families (http://www.news10.net/story/news/loc...elons/6347305/), and he has eliminated all but one school resource officer in the entire county. Our farmers have been left to fend for themselves, without personal protection, because he funds our Ag Crimes Unit with 1.5 Deputies. I'm not sure, but those appear to be "big picture" matters to me, and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

[k6withrow]

One last thing. So much is lost in communication when you cannot look a person in the eyes and ask them face-to-face questions. I would be more than honored and happy to appear at any time and anywhere to answer questions regarding any of the issues that concern this great organization. I would hope that Mr. Moore would join me at such a gathering so that you could compare and contrast the two of us and determine for yourself who would be the best leader for our county. You might notice that I am personally speaking to you, not someone else using a fake name speaking in my place. I'm sorry I am making these posts so long, but I am very passionate, and, believe it or not, I am actually limiting everything I want to say about the current state of the department; I made my son type this while I dictated to him because I am so slow on the computer. Thanks for reading, and let me know if you have any questions. Have a safe night.

[Mayor McRifle]

Just an observation: Although I live in Stanislaus County, I spend a lot of time at the San Joaquin Rifle and Pistol Range in Linden. Pat Withrow receives almost universal support out there among staff, ownership, and patrons alike. And although a few posers do shoot there, the vast majority of shooters come from what I consider to be the real gun community. Everyone I've talked to out there trusts Pat Withrow as a true friend of law-abiding gun owners and gun rights.

As a side note, I was in my favorite San Joaquin County gun shop several months ago, and one of the guys there told me that an SJ County sheriff's deputy had come in and told him to spread the word that Sheriff Moore would now be giving CCW permits to anyone who wants one "because it's an election year," so people should apply now (this was pre-Peruta). I asked him, "What happens after the election?" He laughed and said, "That's the problem." I would have a hard time trusting someone who plays politics with people's right and ability to defend themselves -- NRA "life member" or not.

[zWade]

One last thing. So much is lost in communication when you cannot look a person in the eyes and ask them face-to-face questions. I would be more than honored and happy to appear at any time and anywhere to answer questions regarding any of the issues that concern this great organization. I would hope that Mr. Moore would join me at such a gathering so that you could compare and contrast the two of us and determine for yourself who would be the best leader for our county. You might notice that I am personally speaking to you, not someone else using a fake name speaking in my place. I'm sorry I am making these posts so long, but I am very passionate, and, believe it or not, I am actually limiting everything I want to say about the current state of the department; I made my son type this while I dictated to him because I am so slow on the computer. Thanks for reading, and let me know if you have any questions. Have a safe night.

Thank you, I think what you posted is great and the fact you come here to answer questions is awesome. You have a forward thinking view point with a eye to the citizens and their rights. We are surrounded by counties with different way of operation, new jails, CCW, etc and San Jo is falling behind. This is slightly evidenced by the fact the county lined up at the mere hint of change and appointments are into November!... this County is ready for real change. Obviously, there hasnt be a confirmed Self Def CCW issued that I've seen here.

I really appreciate the fact you take the time to talk with us. It seemed for a while you disappeared. Hopefully you get what you need to get the message out.

[zWade]

Also, how can we get ahold of you? I emailed you twice and cc'd some of your staff and never got a response which was discouraging. I would like a yard sign. maybe something wrong with your website idk

[zWade]

Just an observation: Although I live in Stanislaus County, I spend a lot of time at the San Joaquin Rifle and Pistol Range in Linden. Pat Withrow receives almost universal support out there among staff, ownership, and patrons alike. And although a few posers do shoot there, the vast majority of shooters come from what I consider to be the real gun community. Everyone I've talked to out there trusts Pat Withrow as a true friend of law-abiding gun owners and gun rights.

As a side note, I was in my favorite San Joaquin County gun shop several months ago, and one of the guys there told me that an SJ County sheriff's deputy had come in and told him to spread the word that Sheriff Moore would now be giving CCW permits to anyone who wants one "because it's an election year," so people should apply now (this was pre-Peruta). I asked him, "What happens after the election?" He laughed and said, "That's the problem." I would have a hard time trusting someone who plays politics with people's right and ability to defend themselves -- NRA "life member" or not.

Damn skippy. I gave up on the NRA many years ago and only rejoined after Peruta because I think they earned my support and I would like to put some money where my mouth is. NRA doesnt automatically mean gun right supporter and visa versa. There are many gun rights advocates who think the NRA is a sell-out on rights, especially in CA. It certainly doesnt mean "everything" about a person.

[k6withrow]

Also, how can we get ahold of you? I emailed you twice and cc'd some of your staff and never got a response which was discouraging. I would like a yard sign. maybe something wrong with your website idk

I'm so sorry it's hard to get ahold of me. Here is my personal cell phone number: 209-603-3780. Please feel free to use it anytime and share it with whoever you wish (except Acampo Jim lol. Just kidding, he can feel free to call me whenever he wants as well.). We have an 800 number, but we just found out it has not been working properly. I'm sorry again for the inconvenience, and thank you for the support.

[zWade]

Thank you sir! I'll give you in the next few days.

[RANGER295]

I just got a call and they moved my appointment up to early April.

I have a question for those of you that have gotten the calls to move you up. Have you previously applied and been denied? They said that they had an "opening". I can not believe that they went through nine months of people that were not able to reschedule before they called me. I was talking to someone that was involved in the original push a few years ago and he was thinking that maybe they are calling up all of the people that applied during the CGF push and are replying and bumping up their appointments. I am just curious.