San Bernardino

[Untamed1972]

Getting that envelop in the mail was a very exciting day I equate it to when one receives a drivers license or buys theirs first house. Running out to Wally World and getting some nachos is an experience everyone should have. Being able to walk down the street in front of the Orange County Sheriff department, while carrying has a great FU feeling that all in this area should feel.
It really sucks for many in this state that they can not get a CCW we are lucky enough to be in a county were it is fairly easy (in Ca. terms) to get the CCW. In a way I feel a very good reason for getting a CCW is like the reason I joined the military. I owe it to my country to serve my time, in the same way I should demonstrate my 2A right within this screwed up state and get a CCW.
In general the CCW community is full of great helpful people, start the process and ask questions; you will be glad you did.
I would like to politely tell everyone to get off their lazy a** and apply, go through the process and get your CCW. Get in line now before the line gets longer.

but the point being, why should the process for a CCW be anymore invasive then it is get a drivers license? And I concur with the sentiments stated by others here about the invasivness of the process. But perhaps as more Dept's start issuing they will see that such extensive investigating is not needed and is not cost effective.

[NVR2L8]

So any news regarding the policy guidelines for getting a CCW in San Bernardino County? I can't apply until after 12/21/10 as per the one year residence requirement......but I'm especially curious as to the legality of the one year residency thing as well as needing three character reference letters in addition to four additional personal references.

So is there an upcoming initiative to challenge any or all of those requirements?

[wildhawker]

So is there an upcoming initiative to challenge any or all of those requirements?

Yes, this very initiative will do just that.

[Wherryj]

1. It is besides the point. While the fee isn't excessive by California standards, it is too high to charge for something as basic as self defense.
I agree. Taxing a Constitutional right seems rather unconstitutional for lack of a better term.
2. I didn't have problems with references either, but I do have a problem with invading my privacy. I don't want anybody knowing my business unless I bring it up with them.
I also agree. It invades one's privacy, and what is it supposed to do? As a physician I need references from other physicians who have been certified by the hospital and are thus "trusted" sources of info. If you are a dirtbag, you can probably get 7 other dirtbags to write you a reference. You could also be a smooth operating dirtbag who could get the mayors of 7 local cities to write you a reference. I don't see what this accomplishes.
3. I would like to see them issue a license for me to carry concealed, and keep out of the minutiae of the type and caliber of handgun I do carry.
Again, I have to agree. It is a Constitutional right. The Constitition didn't specify caliber of "arm" that one has the "right to bear".
4. I had to threaten my boss with taking him to HR if he continued in his notion to include documentation in my personnel file about my having a CCW. HR and corp security finally told him that it was none of his business and anything he was thinking of doing as far as documentation was wrong.
You are lucky that your company had a reasonable HR and security department. If you hadn't, you might be tasked with finding a lawyer about that wrongful termination, all because you chose to exercise a Constitional right?
5. My neighbors don't need to know whether or not I have a CCW, just like *I* don't need to know whether or not my neighbors have a ccw. For the record, they never did a neighborhood check with me, they were too backed up.
I think that it makes as much sense to let your neighbors know about your firearm as it does to inform me every time they purchase an otherwise valuable trinket. We wouldn't want anyone hiding stuff that might be nice to steal now, would we? What right do my neighbors have to know what I own? Have they put in their references that prove that they aren't thieves?
The process in this state (this county) is too invasive and it is getting too restrictive. The whole process ought to surround whether or not my prints came back clean and that I am not a subject in an active investigation, period.

The fee for the license should be the bare minimum to run my prints and issue the license (materials).

I agree with all of your points. It may not seem overly onerous, but these are unreasonable restrictions.

[Wherryj]

but the point being, why should the process for a CCW be anymore invasive then it is get a drivers license? And I concur with the sentiments stated by others here about the invasivness of the process. But perhaps as more Dept's start issuing they will see that such extensive investigating is not needed and is not cost effective.

This is a good point. Driving is a PRIVILEDGE, yet it takes less effort to get a driver's license than a "protection license". It is less protected by the Constitution and also responsible for far more death and disability than CCW. Somehow, it is more "protected" by this state.

For the anti's who state that CCW is dangerous, I challenge them to find an article about a wrongful death related to CCW in any state. I BET that I can find a more recent traffic death.

[ivsamhell]

Can we expect fees to come down ever? I spent less than $100 total to get a Utah permit.....

[wildhawker]

Can we expect fees to come down ever? I spent less than $100 total to get a Utah permit.....

At or below the statutory caps on fees? Yes. (Some counties overcharge, and we're dealing with those in our Initiative).

Further reductions (and waivers/subsidies for low-income applicants) will be a case or two after we get carry rights acknowledged at USSC.

[macentyre]

got mine into SBCo and it's been since October....was told by the investigator that I passed and it just needed a signature....that was December 3rd. Guess they are taking their sweet time!

[Steveo8]

Any thing happening in San Bernardino as far as reference letters and high fees?

[erejota]

Does the Ontario P.D. issue permits?

It is my understanding that I have to apply to Ontario P.D. first and get a denial letter from them,then apply with S.B.S.O.
Has anybody here done this?
How long did it take to get the denial letter?
Any info will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Ross

[wildhawker]

You do not have to pre-apply to any other licensing authority.

-Brandon

[Steveo8]

Has anybody heard that the SO is having applicants fill out an additional questionnaire of about a 100 questions at the interview?

[winnre]

I was asked for more stuff at the interview but a hundred questions? What more could they want to know?

I did have to fill out a short form, I think it was yellow. It asks stuff like have you been arrested, was is dismissed, and other minutia requests. Nothing they could not finds out on their own!

[MrBrent]

It's not a hundred questions. It may seem like it. Don't sweat it and be completely honest and you will be fine.

[ivsamhell]

its illegal for them to ask about arrests that did not lead to conviction.......