San Bernardino

[MiXoLoGiSt]

Correct.
Interview > Livescan > Photo > return to counter to pick up info packet for class.
No appointment is needed... just make sure to have your separate money orders signed and in order.

I would assume that if the interview does not go well, that you don't move on to Livescan and thus won't pay for it, but I don't now and didn't ask.

Correct. They told me if I was going to be denied they wouldn't even make me fill out the money orders so then I would not have spent any money. Once they asked me to make out the money orders I pretty much knew I was good.

[tnyvillegas]

Does anyone know if lasers are allowed in your carry weapon? If so can you remove em and add em as you please?

[71MUSTY]

We can spend page after page of posts here complaining about their policies but what does it change???

They are what they are. San Bernardino issues to just about everyone who applies and jumps thru their hoops. That has been the case for years and years although they did drop several hoops in the last few years.

I like the guy who says OC is so much better when a few years ago they were basically non issue.

Their hoops are their hoops and if we have the GMC to hop thru them they issue. While not perfect it is better then many.

While we all agree it would be better if they did not tell your boss and neighbors it was for a CCW , but it is their practice. And as long as people try to game the residency requirement they will always have some system in place to at least attempt to prevent it. The proof of residency they except now is easier then it was a few years back.

We are making steady progress in this County and they do listen to us and they have been adjusting/ re-evaluation the requirements making it easier and more streamlined.

But we make the best progress with them when we behave like professionals instead of whining on the internet.

[matix101]

I don't think people are whining, I know in my case it's more anxious/nervous so I ask questions so I know what to expect, not whining about the process, I'm actually surprised it's the way it is, carrying a gun is a huge responsibility I wouldn't go as far as privilege, considering it's supposed to be a constitutional right, but I had been debating for a few years on applying and am actually surprised at how easy the process seems especially for commifornia and in today's day and age.
Just my 2c..

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[Cokebottle]

Does anyone know if lasers are allowed in your carry weapon? If so can you remove em and add em as you please?

No restrictions.
The county does not specifically prohibit any modifications or work.
At the class/range, they are looking for "broken" guns... issues with safeties, loose sights, slide locking back, trigger issues, etc.
Our instructor was even experimenting with a holo-red dot (and didn't seem thrilled)

That said....

Any modifications need to be defensible.
If you are involved in a shooting, your gun will be checked by the crime lab. Anything not within factory specs will be reported to the investigating officer (and become a matter of record that may be used in a civil suit against you even if you are not charged criminally)

Encouraged?
Night sights. Grips. Reliability enhancements including springs and trigger work.
Discouraged?
"Competition" type trigger jobs. Work and parts used should fall into the "service" type. A comment was made to one applicant "A little light?" but he was allowed to qualify with it.
One exact quote from class "Please do not disable any safeties"

Internal work should be performed by a competent smith, not "bubba with a Dremel."

Bottom line, the county is indemnified. It's no skin off their back if we get into trouble.
If it's a clean shoot, it's a clean shoot. If it is not, it's not. Whether or not criminal charges are brought will not depend on modifications you may have made to your gun.

There will likely be a civil suit. People don't like getting shot at. People don't like having relatives killed. Bogey may be a complete waste of protoplasm, but somewhere he has a mother that refuses to recognize that she raised someone who is honestly a bad person.

I don't see how a laser is going to pose any legal or civil issues.
Concealment? Depends on the design how much it impacts concealability.


The biggest issue *I* have with lasers (if you care)?
1 - They train you to rely on the red dot and you do not condition yourself to properly position the gun and focus on the front sight. If that battery fails, you've got a serious tactical problem.
2 - Target identification. Low power red lasers have a visibility problem in daylight. If the room is dark, you MUST be able to clearly identify your target before firing. You simply can not ethically shoot at a shadow in your kitchen, even if you know that your family is upstairs.

[Cokebottle]

they did drop several hoops in the last few years.

Haha... I see what you did there

While we all agree it would be better if they did not tell your boss and neighbors it was for a CCW , but it is their practice.

And the main thing is indeed residency.
I, and more than one other, were simply handed business cards and asked to have a couple of neighbors call.

[Cokebottle]

I don't think people are whining, I know in my case it's more anxious/nervous so I ask questions so I know what to expect, not whining about the process, I'm actually surprised it's the way it is, carrying a gun is a huge responsibility I wouldn't go as far as privilege, considering it's supposed to be a constitutional right, but I had been debating for a few years on applying and am actually surprised at how easy the process seems especially for commifornia and in today's day and age.
Just my 2c..

When Rod Hoops was in office, only part of why I did not apply was the written reference *plus* telephone reference requirements.
It was also the consideration of how serious the decision is, and whether or not I felt comfortable accepting that level of responsibility.
That took me some time to work through.

That point hit home a couple of weeks before my interview.
Around Thanksgiving, again, the "reality check" came in as I accepted the fact that this WAS going to happen.

It kinda peaked at the range.
My smartwatch monitors my pulse and feeds it to my phone.
For most of the day, my pulse was in the 75-80 range.
At 3:30, when we were on the line poking holes in paper, it was 120.

A combination of "Wow, this is really cool" and "Wow, this is really serious business"

[Nopal]

We can spend page after page of posts here complaining about their policies but what does it change???

They are what they are. San Bernardino issues to just about everyone who applies and jumps thru their hoops. That has been the case for years and years although they did drop several hoops in the last few years.

I like the guy who says OC is so much better when a few years ago they were basically non issue.

Their hoops are their hoops and if we have the GMC to hop thru them they issue. While not perfect it is better then many.

While we all agree it would be better if they did not tell your boss and neighbors it was for a CCW , but it is their practice. And as long as people try to game the residency requirement they will always have some system in place to at least attempt to prevent it. The proof of residency they except now is easier then it was a few years back.

We are making steady progress in this County and they do listen to us and they have been adjusting/ re-evaluation the requirements making it easier and more streamlined.

But we make the best progress with them when we behave like professionals instead of whining on the internet.

So if this is whining, the opposite would be what, brown-nosing?

Look, it's true that they've improved things. A little under a year after McMahon took office from Hoops, their denial rate was still around 16% or so (I remember an old post where an insider claimed an 84% approval rate, just don't ask me where anymore). If true that only 11 folks were denied a year or two ago, then that's a vast improvement. A huge Kudos to the SBSD and to McMahon and my hat's off to the folks that have pushed for that change.

Still, some of these complaints are not new. For example, people have been complaining about employer checks for years. I think that part of the problem is that McMahon inherited a convoluted, over-the-top process that had at it's core the then-common but incorrect view of carry as a privilege, not a right (it's a privilege in other states which have an alternative to concealed carry, but this one does not). Instead of just going back to the drawing board on it, McMahon sort of continued with that process to this day while thankfully dropping quite a bit of hoops along the way (I really like that phrase!). Meanwhile, other counties such as OC just started from scratch and, spurred by the then new Peruta decision (which now sits in the quagmire that is the 9th), those counties operated on the correct assumption that concealed carry is indeed the right in this state. In short, the SBSD is slowly sloughing off the remnants of what it inherited. Some of us just wonder, though, why not just re-think the whole thing in the first place?

[DrScorpio]

Had my interview today. Went off without a hitch. Didnt even look at my reason for applying other then to make sure I put something there. Interview was mainly going over your application and a form they had you fill out while you were there.

As others have stated, the main time sink is the Live Scan. When I was there, only 1 machine was working and they were taking down and installing more machines (but had no idea when they would be up). The plus side is that in the future, the Live Scan should go much faster.

[matix101]

Nice glad to hear you got it, I'm counting down the months.... only 8 more to go, lol

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[blindman]

I'm still waiting for the background checks to finish

[Cokebottle]

I'm still waiting for the background checks to finish

Don't even think about calling until at least the first working day after the 91st day from your interview, unless the interviewer gave a different time frame. Mine said it would be at least 90.

[matix101]

I carumba, guns are gonna be outright banned at the rate ca is going by time I get mine..... lol

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[matix101]

But in all honesty I need the time I don't even have anything smaller than a full size as of now, so I need those few months to aquire an lcr 9mm and a kahr cw9.
I'll keep the sr9 on my permit which is all I put so far, for winter time under my sweater in a shoulder holster.

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[blindman]

Don't even think about calling until at least the first working day after the 91st day from your interview, unless the interviewer gave a different time frame. Mine said it would be at least 90.

Lol. No plans on calling. I'm expecting to wait the full 90