San Bernardino

[71MUSTY]

There's this thing called "past tense." It's what I was using in my post. My point is that Orange County HAD a more streamlined process which allowed them to process a lot of applicants rather quickly, to the tune of 7k in a relatively short time. The only significant bottleneck was the DOJ clearance.

You can't seriously stand there and say that the SBSD process is not bloated. Just look in this thread about the delays because of employment checks, for example. While the classes in San Bernardino are top notch, they do fill out and are limited and that's another bottleneck. But more to the point, a detective or two driving all over the largest county in the United States to do conduct a few 15-minute checks is a detective or two that will be out of the office all day. Isn't the backlog largely blamed on a lack of resources?

I agree, so are you suggesting they up their fees to cover the costs of more resources?? I don't think they can. So then that would mean pulling resources off of something else. I'm sure there is some bloat somewhere in the department but now we are back to how the whole department is run. But at the same time prop 47 just released all those inmates and we want more manpower on the streets to deal with them. I guess it is not easy being Sheriff.

[Grouch729]

Hey guys. I applied online, interview in September. Guess I can wait. The instructions say to bring a "copy" of your completed application, and not sign it, but there was never a "Print" button to print out the completed form? When I just print screen the application before hitting submit online, it prints, but nothing about a signature. Did I miss something? Thanks.

Hey there abjrjrm,

I got a response from Sarah at SB and she confirmed "You will not need to print it and bring it with you. The new application is not formatted for printing." like many others have said she is very helpful. Hope this helps you as well.

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[thugs_meet_GOD]

Hey guys. I applied online, interview in September. Guess I can wait. The instructions say to bring a "copy" of your completed application, and not sign it, but there was never a "Print" button to print out the completed form? When I just print screen the application before hitting submit online, it prints, but nothing about a signature. Did I miss something? Thanks.

They have hard copies for you to fill out at the interview.

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[armor2111]

Volunteer

Now let's stop arguing about who has a better sheriff. I belive we need to see about trying to volunteer to assist with the ccw application process to help speed up the process. That way the wait will be a little faster.

[Nopal]

I agree, so are you suggesting they up their fees to cover the costs of more resources?? I don't think they can. So then that would mean pulling resources off of something else. I'm sure there is some bloat somewhere in the department but now we are back to how the whole department is run. But at the same time prop 47 just released all those inmates and we want more manpower on the streets to deal with them. I guess it is not easy being Sheriff.

I'm not saying that they should up their fees, though I wouldn't be entirely against it if they could.

My point is that driving all over the county for a 15-minute check here and there is not required by California law and it's not something that's done by many IAs in the state. Ditto for the employer letter. Faced with such a backlog and such limited resources, to me, not-required == bloat. Your personal views may vary. I understand that these extra checks are there because the sheriff wants to have discretion and make double-sure they issue permits to the right people. I totally get that, but if the sheriff is the 2A champion he's supposed to be, that extra bit of discretion shouldn't supercede the need for a quick process, especially since there is such a backlog and a need by many to exercise their rights. As far as prop 47, if anything, that adds urgency to the need.

Now, I don't know if they take a class certificate from somewhere else, but if they did, that would also alleviate some of the bottlenecks. Anybody knows if they do take certificates from classes other than their own?

[71MUSTY]

Again I almost agree, but each county is required to verify residency somehow. We have had plenty of threads here about people attempting to skirt residency.

One could argue that if the non issuing counties were issuing such checks would not be needed.

But other posters are right this thread is for helping people get their CCW not arguing about which county or sheriff is better.

Start a new thread.

[Nopal]

If this was all about people skirting the residency, then why the employer letters? It seems to me that people work all over the place. But more to the point, if I read the number of people denied last year correctly, they were 11. Even if they were all denied for trying to skirt residency requirements (which seems unlikely), it seems to me that we're talking a very small number. To me that hardly justifies a backlog of thousands because of less than a dozen. If we checked every car on the freeway, there'd be less drunk drivers, too, but that's hardly an effective use of resources. Maybe random checks instead could give the Sheriff some peace of mind?

I'm not concerned about other sheriffs, just about this one. Isn't reducing the backlog one of the best ways to help folks in getting their permit?

And since this thread is all about help, then please help. Is a certificate from a range class other than de department's acceptable by the SBSD? Just a yes or no would be satisfactory. Then we can get on with our lives.

[abjrjrm]

Great! Thanks!

[gwolff]

Hey Nopal, not disputing your claim of 11, just wondering where you found the statistics, I'd like to check them out

[junior40er]

^^^ I'm wondering about all that too... I don't even have a moving violation in the last 25 years or thereabouts, but I had a bunch of petty crap when I was in my teens and 20's back in the 80's. I really have no way that I know of to locate any of that info, I just disclosed it to the best of my ability with an explanation that I'm certainly not trying to hide anything.

I am doing a livescan on myself this weekend for that purpose so I can have exact dates. I want to go into this application as perfect as I can.

[Nopal]

Hey Nopal, not disputing your claim of 11, just wondering where you found the statistics, I'd like to check them out

I just read it this morning and now I can't find it. That is frustrating!

I believe it was either this thread or the thread about the article in the Sun on the increase of applications that is in the General Concealed Carry Discussion forum. If I find it I'll post it here.

[junior40er]

ill be running a livescan on myself to see dates of tickets and arrest when I was a minor. I wonder if I should do fbi check as well to be safe?

[Nopal]

Hey Nopal, not disputing your claim of 11, just wondering where you found the statistics, I'd like to check them out

I just read it this morning and now I can't find it. That is frustrating!

I believe it was either this thread or the thread about the article in the Sun on the increase of applications that is in the General Concealed Carry Discussion forum. If I find it I'll post it here.

[R Dale]

Again I almost agree, but each county is required to verify residency somehow. We have had plenty of threads here about people attempting to skirt residency.

One could argue that if the non issuing counties were issuing such checks would not be needed.

But other posters are right this thread is for helping people get their CCW not arguing about which county or sheriff is better.

Start a new thread.

All that is needed to verify your residency is your property tax bill, rental agreement and utility bills, There is no need to do any farther checks along that line or even contact any of your neighbors or employer as its not there business if you have applied for a CCW permit.

[INCINR8]

Is a certificate from a range class other than de department's acceptable by the SBSD? Just a yes or no would be satisfactory.

No.