San Bernardino

[Cokebottle]

I suspect they will pull the 'just don't tell them' crap.

Easy enough if it is casual use bought from a friend, but if they have an actual prescription for it, would they not be in a database that the detective would be able to uncover?

[morrcarr67]

Overheard a conversation at a weekend event we were attending...a acquaintance was talking about having just started the CCW process. I happen to know they also just got a Medical MJ card. Is SB currently asking about them? Checking to see if someone has one? I know it was mentioned in a renewal class if you have both and they find it out they will revoke your CCW.

From the current online application:

Are you now, or have you ever been, addicted to a controlled substance or alcohol, or have you ever utilized an illegal controlled substance, or have you ever reported to a detoxification or drug treatment program. If yes, please explain.

I had tried a little of this and a little of that back in college. I said so on my application. I wrote what I tried and the last time I did anything stupid.

They were ok with it.

Now, just my opinion.

If they don't say that they have a MJ card and it's found out that they have one their permit will be denied or revoked.

If they say that they have one during the interview process they will have their application denied.

Applicable California Penal Code Sections

The following Penal Code sections are of special importance to the holder of a CCW license regarding the use, carrying, and storage of firearms:

*Penal Code section 26180 - False Statement on Application Form
(a) Any person who files an application required by Section 26175 knowing that statements contained therein are false is guilty of*a*misdemeanor.*
(b) Any person who knowingly makes a false statement on the application regarding any of the following is guilty of a felony.*
**** (1) The denial or revocation of a license, or the denial of an amendment to a license, issued pursuant to this article.
*****(2) A criminal conviction.*
**** (3) A finding of not guilty by reason of insanity.*
**** (4) The use of a controlled substance.*
**** (5) A dishonorable discharge from military service.*
**** (6) A commitment to a mental institution.*
**** (7) A renunciation of United States citizenship.*

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[38Special]

Easy enough if it is casual use bought from a friend, but if they have an actual prescription for it, would they not be in a database that the detective would be able to uncover?

Not knowledgeable about the process so I don't know if there is one. There should be!

From the current online application:



I had tried a little of this and a little of that back in college. I said so on my application. I wrote what I tried and the last time I did anything stupid.

They were ok with it.

Now, just my opinion.

If they don't say that they have a MJ card and it's found out that they have one their permit will be denied or revoked.

If they say that they have one during the interview process they will have their application denied.




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Good for you for full disclosure. I suspect he won't be as honest.

[morrcarr67]

Not knowledgeable about the process so I don't know if there is one. There should be!

Good for you for full disclosure. I suspect he won't be as honest.

That's too bad. Because based on the CA penal code I listed they could be charged with a felony and they could lose a whole lot more.

[38Special]

That's too bad. Because based on the CA penal code I listed they could be charged with a felony and they could lose a whole lot more.

Very true.

[SteelPastor]

Overheard a conversation at a weekend event we were attending...a acquaintance was talking about having just started the CCW process. I happen to know they also just got a Medical MJ card. Is SB currently asking about them? Checking to see if someone has one? I know it was mentioned in a renewal class if you have both and they find it out they will revoke your CCW.

My understanding is that FFL Form 4473 makes it clear that purchasing a handgun and MJ use (even for medical reasons) cannot go together... this was clarified in 2016, I believe. Has that changed? If not, even purchasing a handgun would be a serious problem... let alone the MJ Card.


Question... if someone were to willfully lie on an application AND in an interview... I cannot imagine that being helpful if someone was involved in a defensive shooting (with or without a CCW)?

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[Keyes_Srt]

Update: Good to go! Received the call and have a range date scheduled September 22nd.
So far I'm less than 4 months in the process since I submitted my application.

[Keyes_Srt]

Update: Good to go! Received the call and have a range date scheduled September 22nd.
So far I'm less than 4 months in the process since I submitted my application.

[Keyes_Srt]

They needed a utility bill and that's all they will accept. I just added my name to the gas bill and it was acceptable. As long as your name shows on the statement.
I received the call today and have my range day scheduled for September 22nd at 0800 hours. So far I'm less than 4 months in the process.

[Cokebottle]

Question... if someone were to willfully lie on an application AND in an interview... I cannot imagine that being helpful if someone was involved in a defensive shooting (with or without a CCW)?

Excellent point. Even if it's a good shoot and the DA doesn't file charges, the civil lawyers will tear him apart.

[ulmapache]

Excellent point. Even if it's a good shoot and the DA doesn't file charges, the civil lawyers will tear him apart.

IMHO, I'd ditch the MJ card now that recreational pot is legal in Cally... a "controlled" substance IMO is something that is illegal for possession or use (see heroin, cocaine etc)...legal pot is on the same plane as alcohol. Just my 2 cents worth. Now, on the form 4473, that's a federal form, and pot is illegal on a federal level, so...

[ulmapache]

My understanding is that FFL Form 4473 makes it clear that purchasing a handgun and MJ use (even for medical reasons) cannot go together... this was clarified in 2016, I believe. Has that changed? If not, even purchasing a handgun would be a serious problem... let alone the MJ Card.


Question... if someone were to willfully lie on an application AND in an interview... I cannot imagine that being helpful if someone was involved in a defensive shooting (with or without a CCW)?

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Ja, interesting...what would be a more interesting case is a shoot in a state where pot is legal...

[Cokebottle]

Ja, interesting...what would be a more interesting case is a shoot in a state where pot is legal...

If the tox report comes back negative (you do realize that there will likely be a blood draw after a defensive shooting, right?) then there's nothing to worry about.
Not sure how long THC is detectable in the blood... In urine, depending on frequency of use, it is detectable anywhere from 5 to 77 days... 5 being a first-time single use and 77 being a daily user... 'couple of times a week and you're looking at 10 days or more.

[pink_toaster]

If the tox report comes back negative (you do realize that there will likely be a blood draw after a defensive shooting, right?) then there's nothing to worry about.

I think about that at home..... if I get home from work or on a weekend decide to have a couple beers or a couple glasses of wine... and THAT's the day some hoho decides he's going to do a home invasion or break in... the damned prosecuters will use it against ME or hubby that we were in our OWN HOME, minding our own damned business... and some idiot breaks the law and threatens us bodily harm... but we had a couple of beers earlier in the evening... and suddenly I just know that in his effed up kommie state.... we'll be the ones who did wrong protection ourselves....

(I know you all are talking out while carrying... in which case neither hubby or I would be drinking... plus i'm too cheap to pay restaurant/bar prices for alchol! haha! but I have and do think about the home and drinking scenario all the time.)

[ACfixer]

I'm not sure why people who want to smoke a little weed in the privacy of their own home or whatever can't just shut their mouth about it.