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[MajorCaliber]

Find out if it is too late for you to still file a report. It's not that you expect them to actually do anything at this point, but if it is legally possible for you to file, you should. That documentation is gold.

[MFW]

5/28/21 - Renewal application submitted
7/13/21 - Emailed for status, was told reviews are taking 90 days.

It's now 9/8 with zero updates, permit expires in a couple weeks. Likely going to email them again to check on things.

Got an email today requesting an additional document. I supplied that and they replied within minutes saying my application is under review. Couple hours later got an approval email. Now just waiting to provide payment over the phone, and receive the new permit by mail.

5/28/21 - Renewal application submitted
7/13/21 - Emailed for status, was told reviews are taking 90 days.
10/4/21 - Approved

[socal m1 shooter]

Anything claimed in a GC statement should be supportable by evidence, otherwise it will probably be ignored, or could even be detrimental.

If you are arguing that your social media activities are pertinent, you'll need to make it easy for them to verify all of that, particularly if you have received credible threats and/or have been doxxed.

Regarding the office/warehouse, you could argue that it makes you a target for criminal activity, but again, you would need to document your claims in such a way that they (OCSD investigators) can readily agree with you. For example, police reports that could corroborate criminal interest in your office/warehouse, but I would expect that they would want to see something in writing which plausibly connects you to that office/warehouse and substantiates your claims. While you cannot expect "self-defense" to be accepted, if you can reasonably demonstrate that your work makes you a target, at greater risk, and provide evidence of same, that can't hurt your statement. In my experience they ask for a recent paystub, or something that shows the applicant owns a business and, say, makes regular cash deposits or such as that. A pharmacist, for example, could submit a paystub that shows they work part-time or full-time in a pharmacy.

If you want to bounce your GC statement off a lawyer who also teaches CCW courses, I would recommend you consider registering for the (free) Pre-CCW class at Artemis. They have sessions on Friday 8 October and Friday 19 November 2021. These are run online via Zoom.

When I first considered applying, I registered for this (pre-plandemic, pre-Zoom) and Lieberman answered all of my questions and objections, basically getting me off the fence. It was very helpful to run my GC statement past him, and I greatly appreciated his advice.

I took my required training at Artemis and continue to use them for renewal and add-a-gun. I'm not sure what proportion of OC CCW permit-holders they have trained, but it is a large proportion.


You need documents to agree. You need a driver's license with the residence address and a utility bill (not a mortgage statement) that demonstrates your residency. If your schedule permits, while you get these ducks in a row, I would encourage you to register the pre-CCW class.

[downdiver2]

Got an email today requesting an additional document. I supplied that and they replied within minutes saying my application is under review. Couple hours later got an approval email. Now just waiting to provide payment over the phone, and receive the new permit by mail.

5/28/21 - Renewal application submitted
7/13/21 - Emailed for status, was told reviews are taking 90 days.
10/4/21 - Approved

I submitted two days prior to you "In the order received my ars"

I shouldnt have follow up questions, as its my 4th renewal and same GCS, etc.

I however, haven't sent a Karen email. Maybe I should, seems the squeaky Karen gets the cheese on the hamster wheel.

[Confusedincali1]

Thank you all so much for your replies. I submitted my application and kept what you all said in mind. I may need to supply more documentation to substantiate my GC but I provided what immediately came to mind. My last question..

-I performed my Live Scan today because the person I use was available and in my area. I know this is ahead of time. My CA cleared same day but my FBI is still in progress as well as Firearms. I’ve seen many posts that say FBI and CA both cleared on the same day as the Live Scan…given that the day isn’t over, this could still be possible. It’s just bugging me because I’ve seen most people have CA and FBI clear same day.

Thank you again for all your help

[NuckaMan]

Another GC question.

I am in the local OC Santa Ana Mountains/Cleveland National Forest on my bike alot. Depending on where I go, I can be pretty much solo. And with winter coming and winter hours, I am also in the dark (with a high quality light system of course). I would feel a little better if I could carry a sub-compact in the event of a aggressive wildlife encounter, namely mountain lion. Is personal protection while doing remote outdoor activities a justifiable GC? I probably would not be carrying otherwise.

[Confusedincali1]

[9Cal_OC]

Definitely disclose all citations. Do not hide any. It may appear dishonest if you try to hide them and so forth.

They’re looking into how frequent you had police contact, regardless of disposition.

But 5+ citations in a 3-5 year span may be frowned upon. If you are approved, definitely avoid being pulled over as you will need to report the police contact, regardless if you got a citation or not.

[Confusedincali1]

Thanks so much for your response. I uploaded a document that is a written explanation and detailing of each…do you think my chances have decreased significantly? My GC was urgent enough to have my appointment moved to a couple weeks for when I applied but the document I just submitted to them discloses the following:

- My license was suspended for one (1) day in 2017 due to an unpaid ticket I completely forgot about (I believe it was a parking ticket, but I am not 100% sure) in Nebraska (This was on my cross country trip to California to move there, so I am not 100% sure if it was Nebraska, but I am extremely confident it was.) This does not appear on my auto-insurance anymore, so I am not sure if the DMV was able to correct this or if it still shows up, but I want to be 100% transparent about the fact that it did happen, even if it was for 1 day.

- I’m currently disputing a speeding ticket
-I’ve had 3 moving violations dismissed in 2020 and 2021
- I’ve done traffic school 2 times in 2019 and 2020
- I did traffic school for a moving violation in Iowa in 2020

Does this decimate my chances even though I technically only have 1 actual point/conviction? I am a business owner who’s address was recently compromised online and I have hundreds of thousands of product at this address at any given moment..had I known traffic citations would’ve counted against me, it would’ve probably been wiser to wait a few more years to apply. What are your thoughts?

[Guninator]

The good news in terms of applying in OC (as opposed to LA, e.g.) is you upload the requested documents, instead of bringing hard copies in with you. Water, power, and gas all have PDF's bills you can download. And you just upload those.

If you have AAA, some branches are offering Real ID services so maybe you can change your address there and skip the DMV hassle and delays.

[Redhawker]

Ok, just slipped the renewal permit in my wallet fresh out of the mail. Figured I'd share my total timeline.

5/13/21 Renewal app submitted & all required paperwork except training certificate.
5/17/21 training certificate submitted.
8/20/21 sent an email just checking if they got my renewal app - received a reply in less than an hour stating they had everything and the process was taking 90-120 days right now.
9/7/21 current permit expires. 118 days since the app was submitted.
9/30/21 received an email saying more documentation of address needed and some photos of my hunting, off roading etc. to support parts of GCS (come to find out my homeowners' insurance bill isn't acceptable as proof of address - go figure) provided everything asked for.
10/2/21 received an email stating approved and "A member of our staff will be in touch with you to process payment over the phone..." (on a Saturday no less - guess someone was working overtime?)
10/4/21 at 8:01 am received an email stating contact CCW unit to submit payment. Called about 8:30 am got right through and paid. "Card will be mailed out today"
10/7/21 card arrived in the mail dated for today so I'm getting the full two years to the day.

Set a reminder on the calendar for 120 days from expiration.

Total time - 148 days
Time expired (unarmed) - 31 days

[socal m1 shooter]

Agree. According to this site, on the average, drivers have about a 20% chance of being cited in a year. Obviously, while there is an element of randomness/chance to being cited, there is also a certain proportion of people who are outliers with regard to the excessive number of citations they get, and it's not unreasonable to conclude that perhaps those folks have not learned from their mistakes, but rather, continue to repeat them.

I can't speak for OCSD but I would imagine many would think five citations in such a short time is not good, it could show a pattern of disregard for the law. People do speed, and a lot of folks get cited for it, but "if it wasn't for bad luck, I'd have no luck at all" is not a compelling defense.

I think it is fair to say many LEOs are pro-2A and in favor of law-abiding citizens being armed, and I hope you are able to get a permit. But regardless, I hope you will update this thread. There have been other threads here and there which provided interesting information on the boundaries LEOs establish for CCW approval; more experiences along those lines, how can it be bad?

[igs]

Ok, just slipped the renewal permit in my wallet fresh out of the mail. Figured I'd share my total timeline.

5/13/21 Renewal app submitted & all required paperwork except training certificate.
5/17/21 training certificate submitted.
8/20/21 sent an email just checking if they got my renewal app - received a reply in less than an hour stating they had everything and the process was taking 90-120 days right now.
9/7/21 current permit expires. 118 days since the app was submitted.
9/30/21 received an email saying more documentation of address needed and some photos of my hunting, off roading etc. to support parts of GCS (come to find out my homeowners' insurance bill isn't acceptable as proof of address - go figure) provided everything asked for.
10/2/21 received an email stating approved and "A member of our staff will be in touch with you to process payment over the phone..." (on a Saturday no less - guess someone was working overtime?)
10/4/21 at 8:01 am received an email stating contact CCW unit to submit payment. Called about 8:30 am got right through and paid. "Card will be mailed out today"
10/7/21 card arrived in the mail dated for today so I'm getting the full two years to the day.

Set a reminder on the calendar for 120 from expiration.

Total time - 148 days
Time expired (unarmed) - 31 days

The new card is using the old picture?

[Confusedincali1]

Just to clarify:
I have 1 speeding conviction on my DMV record
- 1 speeding ticket that I’m fighting in court
- 3 speeding tickets that were dismissed
- 3 speeding tickets I did traffic school for, 1 of which was in Iowa.
- License was suspended for a single day 4 years ago over a parking ticket I forgot about in my hometown of MA before I moved.

I have only 1 true conviction on my record…I’m a little frightened because I wouldn’t have applied had I known this was an issue. I definitely understand that argument though, as far as continuously breaking the law, but most of these tickets are a result of the 60-70k miles I drive annually or the first couple of years I first had a motorcycle in California. I was in a rush to get somewhere I didn’t need to rush to get to. Getting somewhere 5 minutes quicker isn’t worth jeopardizing my ability to actually drive or the safety of others and myself. I’m not in a rush anymore. Ive learned to manage my time and take it slow.

My friend just received his CCW in OC with 3+ actual speeding convictions in 5 years and a driving related misdemeanor…so I’m definitely confused. I’m ready to be as honest as I can be during my interview and I hopefully convey that I wasn’t disregarding the law intentionally, I just was preoccupied with getting to job sites that I didn’t need to get to 5 minutes quicker. Thank you all for your help.

[Gavelams]

The new card is using the old picture?