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[Paladin]

I’m guessing they were so confident in their Dark Red GC and proof that they chose not to wait for GMC/LS approval before getting training.

Covid-19 or no, over six weeks seems like a long time for background check.

ETA: jewie27 did you have an in person interview?

[Paladin]

A CGNer asked me to share this with you. They estimate they’ve got a Light Red GC. I’ll try to remember to come back and edit this post with their LASD CGN CCWer number after they get issued.

-Send in application and check around last week of Oct.

-Got a call around third week of Nov. with a few quick questions, and to set up an in person interview the following week and was told what documents I needed to bring to back up my GC. About 5 minute phone call.

-Check deposited next day after phone call

-Last week Nov. in person interview to discuss GC and to submit all my documents. About 20-30 minutes.

-First week Dec. contacted to get Livescan

-Second week of Dec. Livescan for all three portions (FBI, DOJ, Firearms) shows completed

-Waiting on contact to start training

Deputy was extremely courteous, friendly, and understanding. Unfortunately though appears the CCW department is overwhelmed at the moment without enough staff to help with the new number of applications they have been seeing. Even so, the speed at which my application has been moving through the system seemed very fast.

[recoil]

It seems to me that with the current state of the pandemic in LA County, not much is going to be done with new applications coming in. The situation is dire and worsening. Unless someone has personal information to the contrary, it's probably better to wait until late Spring to apply.

[CCWFacts]

It seems to me that with the current state of the pandemic in LA County, not much is going to be done with new applications coming in. The situation is dire and worsening. Unless someone has personal information to the contrary, it's probably better to wait until late Spring to apply.

I completely disagree. Get your applications in now. The queue could be pretty long so the sooner you get yours in, the better your position in the queue. Already, the full process including a city denial, can take six months or more.

Everyone should be applying. The worst that can happen is you lose $10.

[Agent Akin]

I completely disagree. Get your applications in now. The queue could be pretty long so the sooner you get yours in, the better your position in the queue. Already, the full process including a city denial, can take six months or more.

Everyone should be applying. The worst that can happen is you lose $10.

Everyone? Even if we want it for simple self-defense? Admittedly I've only been skimming over this thread for a while now, ever since I was denied last year (or was it the year before, when we all started applying?).

Has it changed again?

[BumBum]

Why on earth would you want to wait? There is zero indication that LASD is going to stop processing applications. Even if they did, who cares? Keep your place in line.

And yes, anyone who has $10 should be applying, in my opinion. However, don’t waste your application without a well-thought out statement of good cause. Examine your life carefully. Put the time in and read ALL of the information in these forums to educate yourself on what makes a good quality statement.

[CCWFacts]

Everyone? Even if we want it for simple self-defense?

No, not if it's for simple self-defense.

Not if it's a weak reason like "I sometimes travel to dangerous areas". Thin reasons like that won't work.

But look at these two hypothetical good cause statements:

• I go hiking to remote areas

Vs:

• I go hiking to remote areas. Here are my trail passes for the past 12 months. I have attended these seminars on wilderness safety; here are the certificates. Here are maps of locations I camped at, and here's the location of the nearest police presence, which as you can see is an hour a way. Here's my membership of [some hiking organization]. Here's my records of trail and park cleanup volunteer activity I did with the park service. Here are my plans for hiking trips I'll be taking next year, showing locations and proximity to law enforcement services. Here are the safety training courses I've signed up for next year. Here are pictures of me at [some camping location] on [some date]. Here are news stories about criminal activity in the areas I have mentioned. Here are the list of prohibited locations (Federal ranger stations etc) in these areas that I know I won't be carrying a gun in while I'm engaged in hiking activities.

Do you see the difference? The good cause IS THE SAME in both cases. But the second example shows DEPTH, planning, organization and responsibility. The first is just, "please give me a permit".

The first good cause statement won't work. The second might work. (Obviously, NEVER re-use any other person's good cause statement, so make it unique and applicable to YOU. My statement there is just for illustration.)

Does this make sense? A lot of people have weak good cause that will not work, but a lot of people could make a much stronger good cause statement with some more thought, documentation and effort.

If all this makes sense to you, then when I say "everyone should apply", it should be taken within the context of what I'm explaining in this post. Please don't argue with me about this; you either understand it or you don't.

Why on earth would you want to wait? There is zero indication that LASD is going to stop processing applications. Even if they did, who cares? Keep your place in line.

Exactly.

And yes, anyone who has $10 should be applying, in my opinion. However, don’t waste your application without a well-thought out statement of good cause. Examine your life carefully. Put the time in and read ALL of the information in these forums to educate yourself on what makes a good quality statement.

EXACTLY THIS!!!

[Agent Akin]

Well, I don't frequent backwoods locations, I don't own a business and transport large sums of cash, I'd just like to not be helpless when I'm out and about at 3am coming home from work.

So in other words, don't bother. Got it.

[Paladin]

Well, I don't frequent backwoods locations, I don't own a business and transport large sums of cash, I'd just like to not be helpless when I'm out and about at 3am coming home from work.

So in other words, don't bother. Got it.

You can lead a horse to water ...

Villanueva said he might liberalize acceptable GC further after the budget cuts kick in on July 1st.

[CCWFacts]

Well, I don't frequent backwoods locations, I don't own a business and transport large sums of cash, I'd just like to not be helpless when I'm out and about at 3am coming home from work.

So in other words, don't bother. Got it.

No you didn't get it. I used that as an example to show that the same good cause idea: "I hike in remote areas" can be presented in two very different ways, one of which will not work and the other has a good chance of working.

The same applies to your situation. You can say, "I get home at 3am" and yes that will be rejected.

But what else can you say that gives more DEPTH to that statement? What else in your life? If you can't write in depth about your safety situation and why you should have a CCW then yes, you shouldn't bother and I can't help you.

[Edit: don't post your draft good cause statement here or in any public forum.]

You can lead a horse to water ...

Yeah I tried to explain it as clearly as I could and clearly, it's not clear enough.

[seaweedsoyboy]

I tried to explain it as clearly as I could and clearly, it's not clear enough.

[CCWFacts]

Thank you! I'm glad that it's understood by at least some people here.

They want to see a THOUGHTFUL person who can explain his situation, IN DEPTH, and provide documentation and records, showing PLANNING, ORGANIZATION and RESPONSIBILITY.

It's not super complicated!

[BumBum]

Thank you! I'm glad that it's understood by at least some people here.

They want to see a THOUGHTFUL person who can explain his situation, IN DEPTH, and provide documentation and records, showing PLANNING, ORGANIZATION and RESPONSIBILITY.

It's not super complicated!

I appreciate you laying it out like you did, you conveyed what I was thinking but explained so much better than I tried to, haha. I have reviewed several people's good cause statements and I can tell you that there is a stark difference in the quality of those getting through and those who are not. The ones who were denied were not surprising to me, and these are people with substantively identical circumstances to other successful applicants in my opinion. Like other folks here, I am still trying to figure out where the cutoff line is on sufficient good cause for LASD, but so far I have yet to see a denial where a good quality statement is involved.

[BumBum]

And dang it, I jinxed it. I finally learned of a denial on a statement that I had reviewed before it was submitted. At least this helps me figure out where the limits are. I am going to look into it further, but in the meantime this doesn't change my opinion. As long as you have the $10 and the willingness to put together a thoughtful statement, apply apply apply. If you don't get it, try again in a few months if you feel you can craft a better statement. Policies may change, too, as the budget gets cut further. I really do not believe a denial will harm future applications, provided you aren't continually submitting a new application every month with substantially the same statement.