Los Angeles

[Yodaman]

I'm going to have to try another device. Your link sent me to the same 403 Forbidden page.

Works for me. Are you on WIFI that would for some reason block you?

[calitor]

Works for me. Are you on WIFI that would for some reason block you?

Interesting... I am at my home office using my internet service via Spectrum. I turned off my WiFi on my cellphone and clicked the link using my phone carriers network and it works fine... I guess Spectrum doesn't like LASD's website.

Thanks for the link. I'll give this application a go and see how it turns out.

[Yodaman]

Interesting... I am at my home office using my internet service via Spectrum. I turned off my WiFi on my cellphone and clicked the link using my phone carriers network and it works fine... I guess Spectrum doesn't like LASD's website.



Thanks for the link. I'll give this application a go and see how it turns out.

Maybe it liked Jim McDonald better[emoji79]

[RoundEye]

Done! Another full hour spent/wasted on a county I don't even live in doing what CGNers who do live there won't do for themselves.... (Is Paladin getting tired of wiping other adults ...es? Yes, Paladin is getting tired of wiping other adults' ...es....)

Now that they've been properly transcribed/transferred to CGN, I'll let LA Co people compare them and let the rest of us know if there's ANY changes, either good or bad. (Of course there's probably changes to training requirements since the state changed the law on that.)

Your time and effort is appreciated!

According to WinMerge, the only difference is as follows:

sheriff’s patrol station or directly from the Assistant Sheriff’s Office. Completed
applications may be submitted to any of these units for processing.

vs.

sheriff’s patrol station or directly from the Executive Officer’s Office. Completed
applications may be submitted to any of these units for processing

[kflakes]

I applied for a CCW over a year ago and as expected, was denied by Jim McDonnell's office. I was a victim of a stalker (a disgruntled ex-client). I have a clean record, submitted strong evidence to accompany my statement of good cause, including many photographs of my stalker parking outside of workplace and home with time stamps, copies of email threats from the stalker, text messages with neighbors, and even moved to a different area, to no avail. I genuinely feared for the safety of myself and my young family, but it was not enough for Jim McDonnell. I am not sure even if my kid was harmed, it would convince McDonnell. I have not applied again since. I would try again now that Villanueva is in office, but I am afraid getting rejected again. Getting rejected too many times cannot look good on my record, since the application asks if you have applied before and the reason for the past rejection. Upon reviewing the "updated" policy under Villanueva, I did not see anything that is signicantly different as a practical matter. I guess my only option is to wait and see how others fare under Villanueva. Moving to Orange County is not an option at the moment. It is really frustrating.

[Yodaman]

I applied for a CCW over a year ago and as expected, was denied by Jim McDonnell's office. I was a victim of a stalker (a disgruntled ex-client). I have a clean record, submitted strong evidence to accompany my statement of good cause, including many photographs of my stalker parking outside of workplace and home with time stamps, copies of email threats from the stalker, text messages with neighbors, and even moved to a different area, to no avail. I genuinely feared for the safety of myself and my young family, but it was not enough for Jim McDonnell. I am not sure even if my kid was harmed, it would convince McDonnell. I have not applied again since. I would try again now that Villanueva is in office, but I am afraid getting rejected again. Getting rejected too many times cannot look good on my record, since the application asks if you have applied before and the reason for the past rejection. Upon reviewing the "updated" policy under Villanueva, I did not see anything that is signicantly different as a practical matter. I guess my only option is to wait and see how others fare under Villanueva. Moving to Orange County is not an option at the moment. It is really frustrating.

[Paladin]

I applied for a CCW over a year ago and as expected, was denied by Jim McDonnell's office.

I was a victim of a stalker (a disgruntled ex-client). I have a clean record, submitted strong evidence to accompany my statement of good cause, including many photographs of my stalker parking outside of workplace and home with time stamps, copies of email threats from the stalker, text messages with neighbors, and even moved to a different area, to no avail.

I genuinely feared for the safety of myself and my young family, but it was not enough for Jim McDonnell. I am not sure even if my kid was harmed, it would convince McDonnell. I have not applied again since.

I would try again now that Villanueva is in office, but I am afraid getting rejected again. Getting rejected too many times cannot look good on my record, since the application asks if you have applied before and the reason for the past rejection.

Upon reviewing the "updated" policy under Villanueva, I did not see anything that is signicantly different as a practical matter. I guess my only option is to wait and see how others fare under Villanueva.

Moving to Orange County is not an option at the moment. It is really frustrating.

Paragraph breaks are "good things"....

Why are you "afraid" of a denial? You just have to explain the reason for it (lack of GC per McDonnell's GC standard). Since Villenueve claims he'll use a different GC standard, that denial won't matter.

You may not have to move to OC. IIRC, there are cities within LA Co that issue more readily than LASD. The best example is LAPD for the City of Los Angeles has a more liberal CCW policy than LASD had under McDonnell (but that's not saying much). Torrance is another city to look into, as is Glendale/Glendora (I always mix those up). West Covina was trying, but I'm don't think they were successful. If nothing else, we should win a "right to bear arms" from SCOTUS probably before 2020 July 01, but maybe 2021.

If you want to do something worthwhile for all LA Co CGNers, rather than just complain/whine, you can do what I did for Santa Clara Co CGNers (no, I don't live in Santa Clara Co or know folks who do), and make up a list of ALL incorporated cities, then find out which ones have their own PDs and of those find out which ones issue CCWs and provide information about each of them. See: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1473741

[Paladin]

This applies to EVERYONE in LA Co.

If you want to do something worthwhile for all LA Co CGNers, rather than just complain/whine, you can do what I did for Santa Clara Co CGNers (no, I don't live in Santa Clara Co or know folks who do), and make up a list of ALL incorporated cities, then find out which ones have their own PDs and of those find out which ones issue CCWs and provide information about each of them. See: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1473741

[kflakes]

Sorry for not being clear, I meant my background record is clean, except for some minor traffic tickets, i.e. speeding.

I guess I am not sure how having been rejected before will affect the chances of success in subsequent application(s), either in the same county or in a different county. In my mind, I was thinking that they surely have a record that I have applied once before. If past rejection plays an important factor in their decisions in the new application, I was worried that they might think that (1) if the good cause was not sufficient before, why would it be sufficient now, and (2) since it has been over a year since the first application was denied, maybe the exigent circumstances that would have warranted a CCW at that time have now passed.

I don't know. I would love to hear everyone's opinion on this.

[Cokebottle]

Sorry for not being clear, I meant my background record is clean, except for some minor traffic tickets, i.e. speeding.

I guess I am not sure how having been rejected before will affect the chances of success in subsequent application(s), either in the same county or in a different county. In my mind, I was thinking that they surely have a record that I have applied once before. If past rejection plays an important factor in their decisions in the new application, I was worried that they might think that (1) if the good cause was not sufficient before, why would it be sufficient now, and (2) since it has been over a year since the first application was denied, maybe the exigent circumstances that would have warranted a CCW at that time have now passed.

I don't know. I would love to hear everyone's opinion on this.

Yes, a standard question is "have you ever been denied a CCW?"
You are given the opportunity to explain any answers given, nobody is a saint.

Being rejected by LACO/LAC for lack of good cause will have no impact on whether you are approved or rejected by a pro-issue county, and will be unlikely to have any impact on reapplication should issue policy change in your current county/city.

[kflakes]

Paragraph breaks are "good things"....

Why are you "afraid" of a denial? You just have to explain the reason for it (lack of GC per McDonnell's GC standard). Since Villenueve claims he'll use a different GC standard, that denial won't matter.

You may not have to move to OC. IIRC, there are cities within LA Co that issue more readily than LASD. The best example is LAPD for the City of Los Angeles has a more liberal CCW policy than LASD had under McDonnell (but that's not saying much). Torrance is another city to look into, as is Glendale/Glendora (I always mix those up). West Covina was trying, but I'm don't think they were successful. If nothing else, we should win a "right to bear arms" from SCOTUS probably before 2020 July 01, but maybe 2021.

If you want to do something worthwhile for all LA Co CGNers, rather than just complain/whine, you can do what I did for Santa Clara Co CGNers (no, I don't live in Santa Clara Co or know folks who do), and make up a list of ALL incorporated cities, then find out which ones have their own PDs and of those find out which ones issue CCWs and provide information about each of them. See: https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1473741

Thanks for your comments and tips! I really appreciate it. I read a lot of your past posts too, and they all have been really helpful.

As I explained in my reply to Yodaman, I guess I was afraid how much weight the rejection of my first application will be taken into account. My concern was what if because there was a record of having a rejection before, they might think that if the good cause was not sufficient before when the concern for safety was really fresh, it may not be enough now since more time has passed. I was concerned that they may believe that the exigent circumstances that may have warranted a CCW then, no longer exist now. Then again, this is all my subjective conjecture.

[kflakes]

Yes, a standard question is "have you ever been denied a CCW?"
You are given the opportunity to explain any answers given, nobody is a saint.

Being rejected by LACO/LAC for lack of good cause will have no impact on whether you are approved or rejected by a pro-issue county, and will be unlikely to have any impact on reapplication should issue policy change in your current county/city.

Thanks. I trust you have more knowledge and experience on this, and if what you are saying is true, it gives me hope to consider reapplying.

[igs]

Sorry for not being clear, I meant my background record is clean, except for some minor traffic tickets, i.e. speeding.

I guess I am not sure how having been rejected before will affect the chances of success in subsequent application(s), either in the same county or in a different county. In my mind, I was thinking that they surely have a record that I have applied once before. If past rejection plays an important factor in their decisions in the new application, I was worried that they might think that (1) if the good cause was not sufficient before, why would it be sufficient now, and (2) since it has been over a year since the first application was denied, maybe the exigent circumstances that would have warranted a CCW at that time have now passed.

I don't know. I would love to hear everyone's opinion on this.

What was the reason you got rejected? Traffic tickets could be a reason especially if you didn't disclose during your application.

[Paladin]

As I explained in my reply to Yodaman, I guess I was afraid how much weight the rejection of my first application will be taken into account.

Yeah, they want to know about it, they'll look into the reasons why you were denied and make up their own mind using their own standards (for GC and GMC).

My concern was what if because there was a record of having a rejection before, they might think that if the good cause was not sufficient before when the concern for safety was really fresh, it may not be enough now since more time has passed.

(already answered)

I was concerned that they may believe that the exigent circumstances that may have warranted a CCW then, no longer exist now. Then again, this is all my subjective conjecture.

That's right and you'll never know until you try. What's the worst thing that can happen? You'll be denied yet again. But guess what? Between 2020 July and 2021 July we should win a Right to Bear Arms at SCOTUS! Then things like requiring "Good Cause" will be unconstitutional.

Until then, just carry pepper spray and obey the 4-S Rule, which you should be doing already and should continue to do even after getting a CCW and EDCing.

[Yodaman]