Los Angeles

[DB2896]

It's so nutz to me reading all of these posts and staying in the background as my CCW was issued a few months back. I find it so absurd that these timelines have not gotten better but much worse. After Bruen the 2A community has suffered more than pre Bruen. I'm sorry to see y'all suffering for a fundamental right.

I also (hate typing this part) but I've have lost all faith in litigation, especially the 2A advocacy groups that on every good or bad news send emails out for donations (yes I do donate) but it seems like nothing gets done. Yes it takes time, yes it takes money but it feels like all of these issues are money based. The 2A advocates get our donations money, the state and federal lawyers and judges get our tax payer funds, the supreme court writes these vague opinion letters that leave the door open to so many interpretations that the opinion letters opens the door to more unconstitutional laws and they do that to stay relevant. Bruen for example: they issued the opinion letters and gvr'd a good number of cases back to the state courts to start the whole process again. What's gonna happen? A year at the state court, then another year appealed from either state or 2A lawyers, then to the appellate court for a 3 judge panel. Then either the state or 2A folks will appeal to the full judge panel then it will be sent to the supreme court AGAIN and rinse repeat. 10+ years.

I thought my 12 months waiting was bad then I read these horror stories of 14+ months for a frickin call? That's ridiculous. What ever happened to these soft threat letters being sent to the sheriff's and PD's? Nothing came of it. Absolutely nothing

This shouldn't surprise you at all when you think about it. Calls for interview are a lagging indicator of timelines. We're getting call for interview updates a YEAR after people applied and often not factoring in how many people applied AFTER the people updating today but before they've gotten their call for interview.

For those of us who applied in the first half of 2022 we saw roughly 9-14 months wait until the call for interview. And I'd be willing to bet that they received more application in the second half of 2022 than they did in the first half. Any work they've done to streamline things didn't even start until midway thru 2023. Logically, this just means the wait time is still getting longer, not shorter. At no point in 2022 (and possibly even 2023) have they been processing applications faster than they're receiving them. Thus, they're falling further behind and timelines are getting longer.

I think we're going to continue to see longer wait times, likely thru the end of this year. How bad it gets is anyones guess. But with how many people are applying I doubt the new expedited process they're using is going to catch up with the backlog until well into 2024.

[enegue]

This shouldn't surprise you at all when you think about it. Calls for interview are a lagging indicator of timelines. We're getting call for interview updates a YEAR after people applied and often not factoring in how many people applied AFTER the people updating today but before they've gotten their call for interview.

For those of us who applied in the first half of 2022 we saw roughly 9-14 months wait until the call for interview. And I'd be willing to bet that they received more application in the second half of 2022 than they did in the first half. Any work they've done to streamline things didn't even start until midway thru 2023. Logically, this just means the wait time is still getting longer, not shorter. At no point in 2022 (and possibly even 2023) have they been processing applications faster than they're receiving them. Thus, they're falling further behind and timelines are getting longer.

I think we're going to continue to see longer wait times, likely thru the end of this year. How bad it gets is anyones guess. But with how many people are applying I doubt the new expedited process they're using is going to catch up with the backlog until well into 2024.

The only mitigating factor I can think of is that as of August 1, 2022, LASD stopped accepting applications from people who reside in a city with a PD. All those folks had to apply with their city dept which could have slowed the number of LASD applicants significantly.

[vanidoso87]

renewal

has anyone submitted a renewal application online? They say not to apply until 3 months before your license expires. However, I feel that they will not process it within those 3 months. My ccw expires at the end of December. Hoping to get some insight on the online renewal process. Thanks.

[Ptgilbert]

Anyone know why my firearms portion of Livescan is delayed?

FBI cleared 7/26
Ca cleared 8/2
Firearms- in process

[idunnosowhat]

Anyone know why my firearms portion of Livescan is delayed?

FBI cleared 7/26
Ca cleared 8/2
Firearms- in process

Possible DOJ is just backed up again. When I applied for my COE, it took awhile for my firearms portion to clear. Not sure how true it is but I've heard DOJ portion is all done manually.

[DB2896]

The only mitigating factor I can think of is that as of August 1, 2022, LASD stopped accepting applications from people who reside in a city with a PD. All those folks had to apply with their city dept which could have slowed the number of LASD applicants significantly.

Yeah, I'm sure that'll help. But, to my point, if applications submit prior to that were taking a year or more we still won't see the wait time drop until a year or more after a change is made. So, the effect from that change should start to be apparent (and this is a rough guess) sometime Aug-Dec '23.

Anyone know why my firearms portion of Livescan is delayed?

FBI cleared 7/26
Ca cleared 8/2
Firearms- in process

Doesn't seem like a big deal based on that timeline. All three types aren't processed in the same amount of time. Best I can tell, Firearms ALWAYS takes longer.

[aguynamedbryan]

Yeah, I'm sure that'll help. But, to my point, if applications submit prior to that were taking a year or more we still won't see the wait time drop until a year or more after a change is made. So, the effect from that change should start to be apparent (and this is a rough guess) sometime Aug-Dec '23.


Doesn't seem like a big deal based on that timeline. All three types aren't processed in the same amount of time. Best I can tell, Firearms ALWAYS takes longer.

I could be mistaken, but I thought I saw someone post about being able to apply with permitium and specify an interview date about 6 months out. Not exactly sure what to make of that, but the fact that it's not throwing out interview dates 1+years out makes me think they're making some headway... maybe?

[Devanteccwfinally]

Finally got my Pickup date

The long wait is finally over for me, the LASD contacted me via an unknown number for my pickup date! August 15th!. They called august 8th

Not gonna look for exact dates but I?ll give you a estimate
Originally application sent in mid may - June of 2022
No contact what so ever for a whole year or so, when I finally decided to call them and asked why it was taking so long. They magically called me the following day for the interview. The interview appointment call was an actual phone number, not private or unknown (Also I applied before the whole ruling wave of people)
Once I got the interview, he just asked me a few questions about my background nothing crazy, was just a little conversation. I needed to provide proof of residency. It said at the time on the website that they will take a leasing agreement. That was false he wouldn?t except it so I had to get an electricity bill put in my name and I emailed it to the person who interviewed me in person on march 15th. After that no contact for about 3 month. Then got the PTT email on June 23rd, completed that. And sent the email 2 days later. No contact or confirmation of the training received, contacted them to confirm they received it and they did, so just waited till august 8th when they called me for the pickup date
Official pickup date 8/15/23

[Gkn310]

Trying to understand how timelines are so all over the place. I?m in final review and started earlier than the above poster.

[DB2896]

I could be mistaken, but I thought I saw someone post about being able to apply with permitium and specify an interview date about 6 months out. Not exactly sure what to make of that, but the fact that it's not throwing out interview dates 1+years out makes me think they're making some headway... maybe?

No, you are correct. I've also seen these people posting about NEW application via the NEW system and getting interview dates a lot earlier than we've seen in the past. But this is a very recent change and I don't think we've really seen in all shake out yet.

My point was not about what the current wait time was for new applicants. It was about the fact that the application to interview time (with the old system) was a lagging indicator and for any of us stuck in that old system it's stupid to think that these wait time are uncalled for, ridiculous or easy to quickly overcome. They got swamped with apps and just couldn't keep up. Imagine if you ran a business where at full production capacity you were making 1000 widgets per month and then all the sudden you were getting orders for 50,000 per month. Do you think you'd really be able to size up production immediately? Of course not. LASD is no different. They can't just magically process more applications than they're setup for and it takes time to make the necessary adjustments. It's pretty clear to me that anyone complaining about the wait times has zero idea how a business or labor works.

Previously we didn't know the application to interview wait time until someone got their call for the interview appointment. Thus, that timeline stat is a "lagging" indicator. Now, with the new system, we can see the wait time immediately because the person picks it upon application (or so it seems, I personally haven't run thru this system). Under the new system, it will not be a lagging indicator anymore.

I'm sure they have also been making other changes to expedite the process but without data we can't really know the effect of these changes. Especially when there's so much variation from person to person just based on luck of the draw or whatever other factors may be at play.

If you applied under the old system, expect 1+ yrs until your interview. If you apply with the new system, then interview time is more transparent immediately. But, hopefully those who applied under the old system will be in for a pleasant surprise if their timelines decrease and merge with new applicant timelines.

That said, I assume the new system is essentially just LASD outsourcing a good portion of the process to a private company and that these new applicants may be in an entirely different grocery store line (perfect analogy by another member). This would be why the cost has skyrocketed. I wouldn't be surprised if those who applied under the old system retain the long timelines because LASD is keeping those in-house while the contracted company just throws $$$ at the problem, sizes up more quickly and starts processing new apps faster than LASD is working thru their backlog old apps. This is, of course, all speculation.

[DB2896]

Trying to understand how timelines are so all over the place. I?m in final review and started earlier than the above poster.

You're fighting a losing battle if you expect this whole thing to run logically and smoothly. Realize that we're dealing with humans and 1000x different factors here and just be patient. If it was ONE stack of apps and ONE deputy reviewing them all then yeah, it'd all go in order. But that's not how it works. See below quote for the best explanation yet, IMO.

If it helps, picture it's like checking out at the grocery store. There isn't one lane; there are multiple lanes. Some people ended up in a lane with a fast checker, some got in a lane where everyone had just a few items, some were even lucky enough to get in a lane that just opened.

Some people though got in a slow cashier lane where everyone is paying with nickels.

[Here4CCW]

The long wait is finally over for me, the LASD contacted me via an unknown number for my pickup date! August 15th!. They called august 8th

Not gonna look for exact dates but I?ll give you a estimate
Originally application sent in mid may - June of 2022
No contact what so ever for a whole year or so, when I finally decided to call them and asked why it was taking so long. They magically called me the following day for the interview. The interview appointment call was an actual phone number, not private or unknown (Also I applied before the whole ruling wave of people)
Once I got the interview, he just asked me a few questions about my background nothing crazy, was just a little conversation. I needed to provide proof of residency. It said at the time on the website that they will take a leasing agreement. That was false he wouldn?t except it so I had to get an electricity bill put in my name and I emailed it to the person who interviewed me in person on march 15th. After that no contact for about 3 month. Then got the PTT email on June 23rd, completed that. And sent the email 2 days later. No contact or confirmation of the training received, contacted them to confirm they received it and they did, so just waited till august 8th when they called me for the pickup date
Official pickup date 8/15/23

I got the call on the same day and will be picking up on the same day! However, I applied 3 months before you!

[Gkn310]

Either way Im in the homestretch, so I shouldn?t be complaining to much. Just itching to finally have it after 16+ months.

[Devanteccwfinally]

You're fighting a losing battle if you expect this whole thing to run logically and smoothly. Realize that we're dealing with humans and 1000x different factors here and just be patient. If it was ONE stack of apps and ONE deputy reviewing them all then yeah, it'd all go in order. But that's not how it works. See below quote for the best explanation yet, IMO.

I got the call on the same day and will be picking up on the same day! However, I applied 3 months before you!

See you there! And yeah thinking maybe I lucked out my time seems to be a bit quicker than others even tho either way it felt like I would never get it waiting that long and feeling like they just lost it or sitting collecting dust

[Mallory2023]

Yea I didn?t disclose on phone and written but admitted via email when asked

So they didn't mention it during your initial application/interview? Was this LASD?