Alameda

[Paladin]

What if I own a house in Sac county but actually live in Ala Co. for most of time?

I'll just talk off of the cuff, from memory. But you can find out more details, IIRC, on Calguns Foundation's Wiki site.

You must apply with the CLEO of your primary residence, aka your domicile. Your domicile is what YOU consider your current permanent residence for the foreseeable future. Informally, it is the place you consider your home. What are the indicia of domicile? In no particular order: where you're registered to vote; the location you use for tax purposes; where your car registration is sent; what your drivers license list; where your bank statements are mailed; etc. The amount of time you spend there is not determinative. A student away at college may still have his parent's residence as his domicile.

BUT, regardless of the law, some sheriffs specify that you must live in their county full-time, or even most of the time (>50%). IIRC, that is an illegal requirement, but since when has breaking the law ever stopped an CA anti sheriff.... Unless you're willing to sue the sheriff, they'll just do whatever they want.

Of course, NONE of my musings are to be considered LEGAL ADVICE. If you plan on pursuing the course of action of your inquiry, I STRONGLY SUGGEST you contact a lawyer licensed in CA, and esp one who specializes in firearms law, for legal counsel.

That's another reason (#3) I get so ticked at our CCW law in CA: corrupt sheriffs who LIE by saying they'll be sued if someone they issue a CCW to commits a crime with it. They KNOW they have immunity, yet they've used that LIE for years to get out of readily issuing CCWs. Similarly, some anti sheriffs say the law REQUIRES them to require of applicants more than a mere desire to carry for "self-defense"/"personal protection" as a GC statement. Again, that is a LIE these so-called "chief law-enforcement officers of the county" knowingly tell Americans. These anti sheriffs are mere "politicians with guns & badges" only believe in obeying the law when it suits them. They are little better than corrupt, 3rd world tyrants who care not a wit about their oaths of office or the Constitution. Yes, I am sickened at the games anti sheriffs play with our rights, our laws, and our personal safety. They wrap themselves in the flag when running for office and then use it to wipe their ---es once in office. (I think I got that line from GS Patton.)

If Californians were as soundly grounded in Constitutional theory as our Forefathers, we would be heating up tar & gathering up feathers....

[sueshake]

IIRC, your CCW is good for 90 days after you move out of the county. That 90 days is supposed to give you enough time to move into your new home in the new county to establish new domicile, apply with your new sheriff, and get your new CCW so that if you've got GC, you're never w/o a CCW to protect yourself.

FWIW Drake was denied cert., Patano was not granted state supreme ct review, and Peruta is won't be finalized for at least 1 more year, possibly 2 1/2 if Friedman is granted cert and then Peruta is granted cert.

What if I own a house in Sac county but actually live in Ala Co. for most of time?

[Paladin]

I say the following with respect Paladin.....

I've been reading your posts for a few years and for someone who does not have a CCW you sure seem to have a lot of bitterness about it. ....

There are 2 main reasons I get ticked off at CA not being Shall Issue or better: (#1) we Americans have a RIGHT to Keep and BEAR Arms and our politicians -- and now it appears our courts -- REFUSE to recognize that Right protect by our 2nd A in the BoR to our Constitution. Whether I get one or not will not change that state of affairs.

(#2) Every time I add an incident to my, now >165 examples of CCWers saving lives (see link in my sig line), I know that there's people just like them in the remaining 8 non-SI states who are being victimized because our judges & politicians are doing #1 above. Again, whether I personally have a CCW or not will not change that.

Frankly, I really do not need a CCW. I live a very prudent life and am able to heed the "4-S Rule" (unlike some in less favorable conditions). Even if I had a CCW, I'd still be in this fight in CA and just as angry as I sometimes get, until CA is SI (or better). The cultural impact of CA going SI cannot be overstated. IMO, it will have a national, and even perhaps international impact (via Hollywood among other ways). As CCW_facts once pointed out, once a state goes SI, they virtually NEVER pass another gun control law. We need SI in CA to hamstring the antis in this state by getting hundreds of thousands of people w/a vested interest (their CCW permits) in 2nd A politics.

Until then....

[Big Jake]

No. As my "Location" indicates, I live in Ala Co, where law-abiding folk w/o "drama" in their lives are considered a THREAT to public safety by Ahern and must be disarmed!

I say the following with respect Paladin.....

I've been reading your posts for a few years and for someone who does not have a CCW you sure seem to have a lot of bitterness about it. While I can understand this why don't you change your circumstances and move to Sacramento County (or another CCW friendly county) where you can get a CCW? Stop whining about a process that you have no control over and move so you can get a CCW. I speak from personal experience on this one. I lived my entire life in L.A. County and decided to move to Orange County so I could get a CCW. While this is not the only reason I moved here I did what I needed to do to obtain my CCW. In other words quit whining about it and do what you need to to get what you want. Please don't tell me that you can't move because of a job, owning a home, or whatever as I had the same circumstances in my life but chose to do what I needed to do to obtain a CCW. Your posts come across as bitter and angry almost all the time. Maybe you aren't aware of it. Just sayin!

[Paladin]

No need to get your shorts in a bunch Paladine. I was simply stating that if you cannot accomplish what you desire, take your business elsewhere. I lived in Alameda County and ran a business for 17 years during which time I handled a good deal of money. Was literally minutes away from an armed robbery at our local bank a few years back. It is widely known that to obtain a CCW in Alameda Co. is virtually impossible for a private citizen (200 out of 1.5 mil. population). Moved to Tracy last year, and now have my CCW. Give it a try...

By your comment re. the statewide map and then suggesting to "move", I thought you were one of the many voices we have in the gun community suggesting CA gunnies leave the state. Glad to hear that's not what you meant.

FWIW I've often suggested folks who really want a CCW to do just that, esp after SCOTUS denied Jackson cert since we're now less optimistic we'll ever win a RBA via the fed cts/SCOTUS. See:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1087342

Scalia's comment earlier this week that SCOTUS is NOT "conservative", just reinforces the belief we've lost the "Heller 5."

[Paladin]

Paladin, I'm curious about something. Do you have a CCW?

No. As my "Location" indicates, I live in Ala Co, where law-abiding folk w/o "drama" in their lives are considered a THREAT to public safety by Ahern and must be disarmed!

[T Mac]

No need to get your shorts in a bunch Paladine. I was simply stating that if you cannot accomplish what you desire, take your business elsewhere. I lived in Alameda County and ran a business for 17 years during which time I handled a good deal of money. Was literally minutes away from an armed robbery at our local bank a few years back. It is widely known that to obtain a CCW in Alameda Co. is virtually impossible for a private citizen (200 out of 1.5 mil. population). Moved to Tracy last year, and now have my CCW. Give it a try...

[Big Jake]

Go right ahead... and don't let the door hit you on your way out!

Paladin, I'm curious about something. Do you have a CCW?

[Paladin]

I don't know about the law. So does it requires an CCW holder to live in the county, where he/she obtained his/her CCW, for the whole period of holding the CCW or he/she can move to other counties once gets the CCW issued?

IIRC, your CCW is good for 90 days after you move out of the county. That 90 days is supposed to give you enough time to move into your new home in the new county to establish new domicile, apply with your new sheriff, and get your new CCW so that if you've got GC, you're never w/o a CCW to protect yourself.

FWIW Drake was denied cert., Patano was not granted state supreme ct review, and Peruta is won't be finalized for at least 1 more year, possibly 2 1/2 if Friedman is granted cert and then Peruta is granted cert.

[Paladin]

One word: MOVE

Go right ahead... and don't let the door hit you on your way out!

[sueshake]

No big deal: put your excess in storage, rent an apt or house in Solano, get your CCW and rent out your house for 2 years. It just depends upon how bad you want a CA CCW....

By that time Drake, Richards-Peruta, and/or Pantano should have been run by SCOTUS and, if we win (before 2015 July 01), PIs & TROs will be flying in the Bay Area and you can move back home.

I don't know about the law. So does it requires an CCW holder to live in the county, where he/she obtained his/her CCW, for the whole period of holding the CCW or he/she can move to other counties once gets the CCW issued?

[T Mac]

One word: MOVE

[Paladin]

That is one sad looking map.

It looks a LOT better than it did in 2008....

While I'd LOVE it all to be "dark green," at least we're moving in the right direction.

I just wish Sonoma, Napa and SLO folks would organize to push their sheriffs to issue more (getting to light green for Napa and SLO, yellow for Sonoma), or to replace those sheriffs in the next election (2018?).

If Trump wins, I'm confident he'll sign national reciprocity and then CA, but esp the major urban anti counties will be FLOODED each year with MILLIONS of out-of-state CCWers. Yet, residents of those same counties won't be able to carry in their own neighborhoods? Sounds like a possible 14th A EP attack to me.

[T Mac]

That is one sad looking map.

[j6p2004]

ACSO issues both the BOF4501, laminated, and the plastic card. According to the unit secretary, you only need to have the card with you while carrying.