Letter From Attorney General / LAPD Regarding Recent Purchase

[Press Check]

Started DROS on a pistol on April 1st, and based on the date noted within the correspondence, this letter was dispatched to me on the April 2nd. Granted, it's been about a year since I've purchased a pistol, so this might be new, but I've heard nothing about it. In all the pistols I've purchased, I've never received anything.

[socal-shooter]

Lets see it, or at least tell us what the frikken thing said

[socal-shooter]

Oh I see it now , d'oh

Stupid browser

[Press Check]

Had a look at the return address, and apparently, this is called a "Purchaser Letter," and a quick search on Google turned up zilch.

[Murmur]

I wonder what else this joint program mentioned in the second paragraph involves beyond sending out harassing letters to gun owners.

Is the state allowed to notify municipalities about which residents are buying guns? This is a perfect example of how registration can be abused.

[Xombie]

Anyone write "return to sender" on the envelope and left it for the mail service to return?

[jben]

Old news. Many threads on this letter.

[socal-shooter]

This is the first in Cali that I'm hearing of

So basically registration is already being abused

So lets send letters to people that dros guns reminding them that they should dros guns..wtf

[Press Check]

Originally Posted by jben

Old news. Many threads on this letter.

Ok, thanks. Again, I haven't purchased a pistol in over a year, so I didn't know they existed. Searching a bit further, I found a thread from last year.

[CG of MP]

Originally Posted by Press Check

Who is that from? Mike Fuhrer? Oh wait no.. I guess not...

[AceGirlsHusband]

Let us hope the next letter isn't, "Dear gun owner: due to current laws, you are hereby required to surrender your handgun at the nearest police facility within 30 days."

[phase1]

this is news to me, maybe only done in the city of los angeles

[Not a Cook]

Here's the interesting part: my household received its first "purchaser letter" this week, but I DON'T live in City of L.A. I thought this letter was only supposed to go to City of L.A. residents. Can anyone else chime in on this?

[GoZoner]

Originally Posted by Not a Cook

Here's the interesting part: my household received its first "purchaser letter" this week, but I DON'T live in City of L.A. I thought this letter was only supposed to go to City of L.A. residents. Can anyone else chime in on this?

Well what city? Beverly Hills or Barstow?

[Mayor McRifle]

This letter is extremely lame, and provides no meaningful new information to responsible gun owners. All it does is make law-abiding gun purchasers feel like borderline criminals for exercising their constitutional rights. To the extent that this is by design, this really is a form of intentional harassment. I have no doubt that another intent of this letter is to have on record the fact that it was sent, so that it can be introduced later in a criminal prosecution to show that the gun owner was "on notice," and was thus "willful and intentional" rather than merely "negligent or reckless" should he or she run afoul of the laws related to otherwise legal, constitutionally-protected gun ownership. Doesn't L.A. have any real crime to focus its limited resources on at this time?

[Dvrjon]

Originally Posted by yinbaoshenxi

this is called a "Purchaser Letter," and a quick search on Google turned up zilch.

Put this into Google: "city of los angeles firearms purchaser letter"

Get:
http://www.alicelaw.org/uploads/asse..._Purchaser.pdf

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/st...nia%22&st=&ps=

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2345364.html

Put "LA Purchase Letter" into Calguns Search and get:

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...urchase+letter

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...urchase+letter



Cheers.

JR

[Not a Cook]

Originally Posted by GoZoner

Well what city? Beverly Hills or Barstow?

Neither; unincorporated L.A. County. Just thought it's interesting that the L.A. City Attorney doesn't appear to distinguish between residences within his jurisdiction from those outside.

[CitaDeL]

I wonder what response, if any, one might receive by drafting a letter warning them of their responsibilities to support and defend the Constitution (second amendment inclusive) and the consequences of civil litigation should they overstep their authority.

[Murmur]

Originally Posted by Mayor McRifle

This letter is extremely lame, and provides no meaningful new information to responsible gun owners. All it does is make law-abiding gun purchasers feel like borderline criminals for exercising their constitutional rights. To the extent that this is by design, this really is a form of intentional harassment. I have no doubt that another intent of this letter is to have on record the fact that it was sent, so that it can be introduced later in a criminal prosecution to show that the gun owner was "on notice," and was thus "willful and intentional" rather than merely "negligent or reckless" should he or she run afoul of the laws related to otherwise legal, constitutionally-protected gun ownership. Doesn't L.A. have any real crime to focus its limited resources on at this time?

Totally agree. This letter reads to make it sound like you have done something wrong by buying a gun. It is supposed to arrive before the 10 day waiting period is over; I guess so a buyer can "change their mind".

[SanPedroShooter]

Originally Posted by Murmur

Totally agree. This letter reads to make it sound like you have done something wrong by buying a gun. It is supposed to arrive before the 10 day waiting period is over; I guess so a buyer can "change their mind".

That is exactly what its for. I think I read somewhere that they counted people that never came to get their gun as evidence of 'success'

[SanPedroShooter]

I'd write them back. Haven't had the opportunity yet.

[HPBrowningMK3]

I received thag piece of garbage last week too. I am not buying their bullcrap that the intent is to "remind" people to be responsible; the intent is to attempt to intimidate. Ftards.

[Drivedabizness]

Someone needs to get sued...early and often

[riderr]

I am curious, why don't they send such letters to every car buyer in the area?

"As you aware, car accidents is a serious problem both within the City of Los Angeles and our country. Nationwide, thousands of our fellow Americans, are killed or seriously injured each year in car accidents..."

For any liquor store shopper.
"As you aware, alcohol related incidents is a serious problem both within the City of Los Angeles and our country. Nationwide, thousands of our fellow Americans, are killed or seriously injured each year due to alcohol related incidents..."

For every bicyclist...

For every fast-food meal sold...

For every student at a marshal arts studio...

Why are they so obsessed with the guns only?

[Doheny]

Old news. Previous CG posts about this if I recall correctly.


Sent from my iPhone; please pardon typos, edits & stupid comments.

[Jimi Jah]

I'd send it back along with a list of unsolved LA murders and ask, "don't you have something else to do"?

[The Gleam]

Old news. They have been sending these out for about a decade now, and it's hit or miss and infrequent. That is the thing I could never really figure out; I bought new and/or PPT/consignment handguns numerous times from Reseda Turners (within Los Angeles city) and got nothing, but have bought handguns in Simi Valley or Cerritos months apart more than 2 years after not having bought any handguns at Reseda Turners, and got 3 of the letters in the same week.

I think they send them once a year for whatever handgun you buy in that year, but the 3 letters I got in the same week for 3 purchases the month before did not make sense.

Then again, does ANYTHING make sense about Los Angeles bureaucracy?

[Kasspur]

I love how they say "...thousands of Americans, including children, are killed..."
What? so children aren't considered American until they become adults?

[The Gleam]

Originally Posted by HPBrowningMK3

I received thag piece of garbage last week too. I am not buying their bullcrap that the intent is to "remind" people to be responsible; the intent is to attempt to intimidate. Ftards.

Certainly. It's to say "WE KNOW YOU BOUGHT A FIREARM - WE KNOW YOU NOW OWN A FIREARM" no different than any totalitarian Neo-Socialist might procure. It's not only meant to intimidate, it's meant to convey that your 2nd Amendment Rights are only being "allowed" and that they ARE being infringed, and subject to further infringement, to the local government's benefit - if they so desire.

They view this as letting you know they perceive you as being no different than a registered sex-offender, and they are keeping tabs on you.

[Brave Sir Robin]

Originally Posted by Jimi Jah

I'd send it back along with a list of unsolved LA murders and ask, "don't you have something else to do"?

I would too. I lived in Reseda for about 8 years, then North Hollywood for another 6 and i'd think the gangbangers and organized crime rackets would keep the badges pretty busy, but apparently their priorities are a little skewed. Instead they feed and house the gangbangers in our *** backwards prison system and send letters like these to lawful citizens.

[triggatronic]

Got one recently as well. Read it, smiled and put it in the shedder.

The end.

[Rickrock1]

Originally Posted by socal-shooter

Lets see it, or at least tell us what the frikken thing said

Open your eyes lil Puppet...

[joefrank64k]

The letters have been around for while...they seem to be pure intimidation, wrapped in a "It's for the children!" feel-good bow.

[Press Check]

Originally Posted by The Gleam

Old news. They have been sending these out for about a decade now, and it's hit or miss and infrequent. That is the thing I could never really figure out; I bought new and/or PPT/consignment handguns numerous times from Reseda Turners (within Los Angeles city) and got nothing, but have bought handguns in Simi Valley or Cerritos months apart more than 2 years after not having bought any handguns at Reseda Turners, and got 3 of the letters in the same week.

I think they send them once a year for whatever handgun you buy in that year, but the 3 letters I got in the same week for 3 purchases the month before did not make sense.

Then again, does ANYTHING make sense about Los Angeles bureaucracy?

That is strange. Similarly, I've purchased from Retting and Turners since these letters have been circulating and received nothing. The DROS that conjured up this letter was completed in Ventura County.

My brother has purchased several pistols within the City of LA, and has not received anything, so I wonder if these letters are dispatched to LA City residents who purchase pistols outside of LA City.

[jcwatchdog]

Originally Posted by Press Check

Started DROS on a pistol on April 1st, and based on the date noted within the correspondence, this letter was dispatched to me on the April 2nd. Granted, it's been about a year since I've purchased a pistol, so this might be new, but I've heard nothing about it. In all the pistols I've purchased, I've never received anything.

If anyone gets one of these, here is the solution

[CurlyDave]

This is a reminder of who is in charge. Friendly aren't they.

[Vlad 11]

As pointed out on previous threads these letters stem from a taxpayer funded rand study instituted by hardcore antis such as Garen Wintemute. The agenda driven studies produce recomendations that are then instituted by nefarious slimeball pols like Mike Feuer. Little test tube studies first conducted in a few neighborhoods, than city wide then statewide. I think a direct correlation to why they needed long gun registration, and have been pushing for ammo registration

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/241135.pdf

New Gun-Buyer Notification Program
Using our new tool, we conducted initial analyses of illegal gun markets serving criminals in
the target area. Results showed that many crime guns were first purchased at local—that is, in-
county—licensed dealers, rather than from out of state. That is, contrary to the conventional
wisdom that crime guns were being trafficked across state borders from places with less strin-
gent regulations, such as Arizona and Nevada, we found that a majority of the guns used in
crimes were purchased in Los Angeles County. Furthermore, we found that, when the firearm
possessor was not the original purchaser, the geographic distance between the two was quite
small. In more than one-third of all such instances in the 77th Street study area, the original
legal purchaser resided within 4.5 miles of 77th Street. Based on its investigative experience,
the interagency working group suggested that the local nature of the market was driven by
prohibited possessors who were having local friends or family members conduct straw purchases for them.


Consistent with criminological theory, the working group felt strongly that,
because the person conducting the straw purchase does not have a criminal history forbidding
him or her from making legal purchases, this population could potentially be deterred from
initiating this illegal activity. While we have no information on whether this pathway of crime
guns is particularly more dangerous than other sources, the working group assessed that the
most leverage comes through police and legal options to influence this pathway cost-effectively.
As result of these analyses, the working group associated with the project organized a “letter-
campaign” intervention that attempted to dissuade legal firearm purchasers from selling or
transferring their firearms to others without filing the necessary paperwork with the state.
This program was possible because California law requires CalDOJ to maintain a database of
all firearm sales. In selected areas, new gun buyers received a notification letter during their
10-day waiting period, before they picked up their newly purchased firearm, that informed
them of their responsibilities as a gun owner and that the firearm can be traced back to them
if used in a crime. The key idea of this new gun-market–disruption strategy was to deter small-
scale straw purchasers from picking up their firearms and from making other illegal purchases
in the future. Our findings suggest that the campaign may have had a large impact on straw
purchasing.

[Jester3]

Originally Posted by Mayor McRifle

This letter is extremely lame, and provides no meaningful new information to responsible gun owners. All it does is make law-abiding gun purchasers feel like borderline criminals for exercising their constitutional rights. To the extent that this is by design, this really is a form of intentional harassment. I have no doubt that another intent of this letter is to have on record the fact that it was sent, so that it can be introduced later in a criminal prosecution to show that the gun owner was "on notice," and was thus "willful and intentional" rather than merely "negligent or reckless" should he or she run afoul of the laws related to otherwise legal, constitutionally-protected gun ownership. Doesn't L.A. have any real crime to focus its limited resources on at this time?

They just want to let you know you are recognized on their gun owners list.
For future reference you know.

[CaliforniaLiberal]

Originally Posted by riderr

I am curious, why don't they send such letters to every car buyer in the area?

"As you aware, car accidents is a serious problem both within the City of Los Angeles and our country. Nationwide, thousands of our fellow Americans, are killed or seriously injured each year in car accidents..."

For any liquor store shopper.
"As you aware, alcohol related incidents is a serious problem both within the City of Los Angeles and our country. Nationwide, thousands of our fellow Americans, are killed or seriously injured each year due to alcohol related incidents..."

For every bicyclist...

For every fast-food meal sold...

For every student at a marshal arts studio...

Why are they so obsessed with the guns only?

"As you are aware, Los Angeles City and County Law Enforcement all too often fires on and sometimes hurts or kills innocent citizens. This is a serious problem. Nationwide hundreds or thousands of our fellow Americans are killed or injured by careless Law Enforcement Officers negligently wielding firearms. It is my purpose to remind Los Angeles City and County Law Enforcement Officers to use good judgement before drawing or firing their weapons…"

"As you are aware, Los Angeles City prosecutors often wrongfully pursue unjust convictions agains innocent Citizens. It is my purpose to remind LA City prosecutors to use careful judgement in choosing criminal cations for prosecution. It is unjust, immoral and harmful to Citizens to pursue convictions with an eye to win/loss statistics or for the purpose of gaining publicity or public favor at election time…"

"As you are aware, CA DOJ has unjustly and unfairly persecuted honest, law abiding citizens for legally owning and keeping firearms. Poor record keeping, an unworkable IT System and just plain lack of care and competence has led to numerous citizens having their doors broken in the night, subjecting them to terror, risk of being shot by poorly trained and trigger happy Law Enforcement Officers and needless time and expense in attempts to have their property returned after illegal confiscations under the color of authority…"

[bodger]

Originally Posted by Not a Cook

Neither; unincorporated L.A. County. Just thought it's interesting that the L.A. City Attorney doesn't appear to distinguish between residences within his jurisdiction from those outside.

Did you purchase the firearm within the city limits of Los Angeles?