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Old 08-14-2013, 7:35 PM
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Default SB 53: How will it change your behavior?

Will you stock up? Plan out of state trips? Suck it up and suffer without?
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Old 08-14-2013, 7:39 PM
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moving to Oregon in march. so I would only have to deal with the BS for a short while
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Old 08-14-2013, 7:51 PM
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As far as I can tell, if it passes ( and I think it will) it won't go into effect until 2015. By then, I'll be in Dallas taking tens of thousands in tax dollars with me.
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Just another bump in the road.
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Just another bump in the road.
You got it bro.. No matter who we vote for or contribute our cash to, the powers that be will put their laws onto us in Calif., then spread to the rest of the country like a fungus.
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moving to Oregon in march. so I would only have to deal with the BS for a short while
Right behind you moving in July!
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Ship orders to a friend in Arizona and bring back the ammo as necessary.
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Old 08-14-2013, 8:25 PM
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Just another bump in the road.
I see this one as more than a bump. A bullet button and a ten round mag is a bump. A background check and a ten day wait is a bump. Forcing a registry in order to buy ammo face to face only from DOJ approved vendors that also need to be licensed changes everything. Limiting where, when and how much ammo one can buy is probably the most stringent anti-gun control ever implemented in this state thus far.
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Old 08-14-2013, 8:26 PM
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Ship orders to a friend in Arizona and bring back the ammo as necessary.
Rather than do that, why not simply move to AZ yourself?
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Old 08-14-2013, 8:29 PM
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Until I move to Idaho in a few years I will be purchasing all my ammo when I go to Idaho and Nevada for work every week.
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I see this one as more than a bump. A bullet button and a ten round mag is a bump. A background check and a ten day wait is a bump. Forcing a registry in order to buy ammo face to face only from DOJ approved vendors that also need to be licensed changes everything. Limiting where, when and how much ammo one can buy is probably the most stringent anti-gun control every implemented in this state thus far.
Well I was referring just to my needs being the thread asked how it will change your/my behavior? I should have said it's just a bump for me. I have not bought factory ammo in over 25 years and have no current plans to change, So unless they include reloading items in this is just a bump for people like myself though it does suck for others.
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I'll be driving out of state with thousands of dollars and contributing my money to other states. In the near future I will be leaving this state for good but the time is not right. The Mrs. needs to finish law school and take the bar for the other state which looks like it will be Texas.
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I ship most things to my N.V. address now anyway. ammo will just be the next thing on that list. I would like to open an ammo store at Primm "State line" with a drive throw window.


I'm moving to N.V. anyways my work is closing down all of are CA warehouse. cheaper to deal with shipping then the state of CA and LA county.
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I ship most things to my N.V. address now anyway. ammo will just be the next thing on that list. I would like to open an ammo store at Primm "State line" with a drive throw window.


I'm moving to N.V. anyways my work is closing down all of are CA warehouse. cheaper to deal with shipping then the state of CA and LA county.
I like that business idea!
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Well I was referring just to my needs being the thread asked how it will change your/my behavior? I should have said it's just a bump for me. I have not bought factory ammo in over 25 years and have no current plans to change, So unless they include reloading items in this is just a bump for people like myself though it does suck for others.
Do you honestly think that this won't apply to reloading components?
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So I was just reading the law and OMG http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...=201320140SB53. There they go again , claiming it is so they can make sure people that are not aloud to own firearms are not buying ammo . After all why would you need to by ammo if your not aloud to own a firearm . On it face it makes since but what it really is doing is putting in place a mechanism that would make it possible to deny all persons from buying ammo or at the very least intimidate law abiding people from buying ammo.

No where in the new text does it say they shall issue ammo vender licenses . How many stores do think are going to say It's just not worth the hassle and paper work to sell ammo .

This is just part one of many here . There is also AB-48 / AB-187 / AB-760 / SB-53

Here is a list of all the Firearm related laws this year .
http://www.crpa.org/2013-bill-status-update/

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Do you honestly think that this won't apply to reloading components?
For now as far as I read none are stated. When it does I will be out the door, Gone to another state. As a matter of fact I don't even think what they have on it now will come full circle. I can dream can't I?
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I ship most things to my N.V. address now anyway. ammo will just be the next thing on that list. I would like to open an ammo store at Primm "State line" with a drive throw window.


I'm moving to N.V. anyways my work is closing down all of are CA warehouse. cheaper to deal with shipping then the state of CA and LA county.
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I buy most of my ammo in AZ right now as it is. I guess I will just buy all of it there.
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If someone could relate the huge loss in tax dollars to the Gov., he probably wouldn't sign it.
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You move and then other states make the same laws until the whole US is a gun free zone! THEN and ONLY then will we see if a second revolution starts.
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Well I was referring just to my needs being the thread asked how it will change your/my behavior? I should have said it's just a bump for me. I have not bought factory ammo in over 25 years and have no current plans to change, So unless they include reloading items in this is just a bump for people like myself though it does suck for others.
Can't reload .22 though.
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Ill still buy in state. In bulk too. 1 rd at a time so I can try to drown Sacto in paperwork
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For now as far as I read none are stated. When it does I will be out the door, Gone to another state. As a matter of fact I don't even think what they have on it now will come full circle. I can dream can't I?
As far as I can see, it doesn't address reloading at all, if for your own personal use because you cannot sell it to anybody unless you're a licensed vendor selling to someone on the approved registry.

You know they'll be coming for reloading components next if this passes. But I'll envy the reloading community for awhile.
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Ill still buy in state. In bulk too. 1 rd at a time so I can try to drown Sacto in paperwork
LOL..
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Ill still buy in state. In bulk too. 1 rd at a time so I can try to drown Sacto in paperwork
this is probably the best thing we can do!
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If someone could relate the huge loss in tax dollars to the Gov., he probably wouldn't sign it.
You assume that liberals EVER consider the unintended financial consequences of anything they pass. They don't care. To them, it's as easy as raising taxes when funds run short.
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What about the ranges that require you to use their ammo if renting a gun? How will you buy the ammo for the range rental? Will you need to fill paper work?
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this is probably the best thing we can do!
Sounds fun but it doesn't work that way. You'll pay your $50 for your background be entered into the registry that's good for one year.

You go to an authorized vendor to buy ammo, they simply match your ID to the registry. Buying one round at a time won't hurt anybody but you.
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What about the ranges that require you to use their ammo if renting a gun? How will you buy the ammo for the range rental? Will you need to fill paper work?
Can't determine. As far as I can tell, you can't purchase ammo at all unless you have an Ammunition Purchase Authorization, or otherwise, some other specific forms of firearm permits.

Read and let me know if you see anything different:

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...=201320140SB53
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This is going to kill ammo sales.

It will probably bring the entire firearms industry with it in CA. Why would they want to stay?
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I will be in Washington by this time next year...
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What about CA Indian reservations? If SB 53 passes, they could get into the ammo biz and clean up!
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What about civil disobedience? Its already so bad there isn't much more to lose on gun rights...
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This is going to kill ammo sales.

It will probably bring the entire firearms industry with it in CA. Why would they want to stay?
CA has a firearms industry?
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Instead of bailing out or saying "I reload so I'm ok" please donate your next ammo purchase $ to calguns. We all know this is going to court and it won't be cheap. Every gun owner in here can spare some cash to preserve all of our rights.
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Instead of bailing out or saying "I reload so I'm ok" please donate your next ammo purchase $ to calguns. We all know this is going to court and it won't be cheap. Every gun owner in here can spare some cash to preserve all of our rights.
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This is going to kill ammo sales.

It will probably bring the entire firearms industry with it in CA. Why would they want to stay?
What it WILL kill are the people who want to go to a range with their kid once in their lifetime who, in turn, become avid shooters. The infrequent shooters won't want to pay the fee, and go through the paperwork necessary because the ammo authorization process can take up to 30 days.
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