Work on fundamentals and speed will come!

[PhoenixTacticalSolutions]

A few weeks ago, I posted the following video of our student, Visu along with the comment below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jkr-...4&feature=plcp

"Visu had never used trigger reset or shot on the move. He also fine tuned his draw and the use of sights. The above video was taken towards the conclusion of the (4 hour) class. Visu's movement is smooth and his accuracy is pin point. As time passes and if Visu continues training, his speed will inevitably improve. Visu is shooting a Glock 19. We look forward to future sessions with Visu. GREAT SHOOTING!"

We had the pleasure of working with Visu again approximately 1 week after the above video was shot.

Here's the video of Visu's 2nd 4 hour session with us (which he sent to us from Thailand as we had recorded it on his camcorder):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSlhE...1&feature=plcp

As can be seen, Visu's speed has increased quite a lot and his accuracy is consistent with the first (slower pace) video. If the fundamentals are sound, speed will inevitably materialize. The credit goes to Visu for coming to us with an open mind, working hard and being patient. The shots from cover and through the barrier need some fine tuning as he was crowding the barrier/cover etc. We are extremely pleased with his progress.

Unfortunately, Visu had to return to Thailand the following day. We hope to work with Visu again in the very near future.

[cebuvfr]

Great improvement on the 2nd vid. Just wondering how far (ft or yards) was the shooter from the shortest and farthest targets?

[PhoenixTacticalSolutions]

Originally Posted by cebuvfr

Great improvement on the 2nd vid. Just wondering how far (ft or yards) was the shooter from the shortest and farthest targets?

The first 2 support side intermediate distance shots are at 2 yards. The shots through the barrier were approximately 8 yards down range. The targets from cover were approximately 12 yards away. The targets for the shooting and moving portion of the drill are approximately 6 yards apart. The final "Zombie" target is at approximately 15-20 yards.

Thanks for watching!

[Outta Control]

Keeping it simple. Great video and thanks for sharing.

[PhoenixTacticalSolutions]

Originally Posted by Outta Control

Keeping it simple. Great video and thanks for sharing.

Thank you!

[HighLander51]

Where is the 180 degree rule on that range?

[PhoenixTacticalSolutions]

Highlander51...the description below the video will answer your question. Thanks for watching.

[Carlosa]

Originally Posted by HighLander51

Where is the 180 degree rule on that range?

Did you know the 180 concept is unique to uspsa competition?
Idpa and even some outlaw 3 gun matches don't have a 180 rule..

[HighLander51]

Originally Posted by Carlosa

Did you know the 180 concept is unique to uspsa competition?
Idpa and even some outlaw 3 gun matches don't have a 180 rule..

Yes, I know that, but every range I shoot at does, as I found out at an Arizona State IDPA match many years ago, where I shot a target at about 230 degrees off the line, and the RO DQ'd me, so I argued the IDPA 'Safe Muzzle Direction' rule and lost. Range Safety rules over ride the game rules. We used to run a 360 degree shoot house at Palm Springs, but the RO did not go in with the shooter, just the timer on the shooters belt.

The reason I pointed this out is because in the first video the student trails the gun behind him, in the second vdieo he is running the gun up range.

[Carlosa]

Originally Posted by HighLander51

Yes, I know that, but every range I shoot at does, as I found out at an Arizona State IDPA match many years ago, where I shot a target at about 230 degrees off the line, and the RO DQ'd me, so I argued the IDPA 'Safe Muzzle Direction' rule and lost. Range Safety rules over ride the game rules. We used to run a 360 degree shoot house at Palm Springs, but the RO did not go in with the shooter, just the timer on the shooters belt.

The reason I pointed this out is because in the first video the student trails the gun behind him, in the second vdieo he is running the gun up range.

Right on dood,
It's been my experiance that most classes don't really follow 180 protocol.
Specially rifle classes. Plus as of lately every one online seems to be bringing up the 180 in the context of classes

[PhoenixTacticalSolutions]

This is the comment I posted below the video:

Couple of points: Visu was crowding the barrier/cover (should increase his distance from cover), and normally the handgun should be 6 inches to the left of his left foot (in observance of the 180% rule) as he's moving to the barrier like his other video (link above...gun pointing down range). However, the course was closed, Visu was the only student in attendance as this was a private session (his 3rd with us), no one was muzzled, his finger was off the trigger and no other shooters/people were in any of the adjacent ranges (verified prior to commencement of shooting). BTW, Sean and I are both NRA Certified Range Safety officers and we had the range's blessings.

[pinheadbob2002]

Originally Posted by HighLander51

Yes, I know that, but every range I shoot at does, as I found out at an Arizona State IDPA match many years ago, where I shot a target at about 230 degrees off the line, and the RO DQ'd me, so I argued the IDPA 'Safe Muzzle Direction' rule and lost. Range Safety rules over ride the game rules. We used to run a 360 degree shoot house at Palm Springs, but the RO did not go in with the shooter, just the timer on the shooters belt.

The reason I pointed this out is because in the first video the student trails the gun behind him, in the second vdieo he is running the gun up range.

Interesting.
Take a look at this video you posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f59x...re=uploademail

I see the shooter with the gun trailing behind him after he pulled it off the table and took a step or two forward, during a match. Did you call him on the USPSA 180 rule or a range rule?

[Carlosa]

Originally Posted by pinheadbob2002

Interesting.
Take a look at this video you posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f59x...re=uploademail

I see the shooter with the gun trailing behind him after he pulled it off the table and took a step or two forward, during a match. Did you call him on the USPSA 180 rule or a range rule?

Just so you know the 180 is an imaginary line usually parallel to the berm. The 180 is NOT based on the shooter's shoulder line.
The shooter on that video was no where close to breaking the 180 sense his muzzle was still pointing down range as he was moving away from the table..
If he had not dragged the gun behind him he would have been closer to the 180 line, which am guessing is why he chose to do that.

[pinheadbob2002]

Originally Posted by Carlosa

Just so you know the 180 is an imaginary line usually parallel to the berm. The 180 is NOT based on the shooter's shoulder line.
The shooter on that video was no where close to breaking the 180 sense his muzzle was still pointing down range as he was moving away from the table..
If he had not dragged the gun behind him he would have been closer to the 180 line, which am guessing is why he chose to do that.

not to get into a pissing match, since i know you ;-), also taking this thread off of topic.
you do not think it was a violation of rule 10.5.2 ? Gun being more then 90 degrees of the backstop ? it looked more then 90 degrees to me, I have not seen Norco- in a few years so I may not know where the berm is in relation to the shooter.

[Carlosa]

Originally Posted by pinheadbob2002

not to get into a pissing match, since i know you ;-), also taking this thread off of topic.
you do not think it was a violation of rule 10.5.2 ? Gun being more then 90 degrees of the backstop ? it looked more then 90 degrees to me, I have not seen Norco- in a few years so I may not know where the berm is in relation to the shooter.

Lol no worries dood

I was at that match, and remember the stage clearly. The 180 line was parallel to the front of the table.The first port that he went to was actually behind the table.. So you had to be care full when entering the port sense you were moving slightly backwards.. That's why some of the guys were living one hand behind. Having shot that stage and remembering the angles of the stage, I have to say that no. He didn't brake the 180.
If you look closer the muzzle is pointing in the same direction it was staged in as he picks it up.
anyway I wasn't trying to be a buzz kill, i hope you didn't take it that way .
Peace out

[Carlosa]

By the way if this might clear things up in relation to 10 .5.2
Norco bays have 3 back stops.. One down range and one on each side..
That's how we're able to setup targets of to the sides and not just directly down range.

[PhoenixTacticalSolutions]

Originally Posted by Carlosa

By the way if this might clear things up in relation to 10 .5.2
Norco bays have 3 back stops.. One down range and one on each side..
That's how we're able to setup targets of to the sides and not just directly down range.

Would love to train in a range with 3 back stops!

[Sealawyer]

All this is cool but when you go to your website, the links to classes are dead. Not good marketing.

[PhoenixTacticalSolutions]

Originally Posted by Sealawyer

All this is cool but when you go to your website, the links to classes are dead. Not good marketing.

We have classes every weekend and our classes are very small (max 8). To that end, I decided to be more flexible and accommodate people/groups on shorter notice. I usually list 2 to 3 upcoming classes in advance on the RHS of the main page of my website. I appreciate your input and will make adjustments accordingly. Thanks again.