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Firearms Accessories: Holsters, Safes, Lights & more If it locks up, carries, fits on to or cleans up your firearms, discuss it here. |
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Hi all,
It seems as though my other thread gotta a little long winded. Due to price constraints I *think* I narrowed my search down to an Amsec BF6030. Anyone have this safe? For the price (1200.00 + Delivery) it is hard to pass up. I know there are better safes out there but I dont want to kill my wallet. Some specs on it: Body encloses a proprietary DryLight insulation eliminating the use of gypsum board. 2" total wall thickness on all sides. Two layers of steel consisting of an outer and inner steel liner for dual security protection (I believe it is 10 gauge outer with 16 gauge inner) 1/2" steel plate door combined with 1" DryLight insulation. 10 massive 11/2" thick locking bolts to provide superior door security (there are no bolts on the top or bottom and I'm not sure if one side of the bolts dont move at all) Mercury class II fire protection of 1275 degrees for 90 minutes. Designed to maintain an interior temperature of less than 350 degrees. New DryLight insulation is poured between inner and outer steel walls for premier fire protection RSC Rating. Weighs 885# Now how long will it take to hack through the side with a fire ax? Probably not long I dont know but how many theives carry something like that? I'm more worried about a drill attack from the side and than hammering in the bolt to make them all retract. How are Amsec's locks and mechanisms in the door? I cant find any literature on that really. I am also very interested in Sturdy Safes in Fresno (model# 3224). I recieved a price list and they seem very good for the price. They use thicker gauge steel (8) and (7)gauge is optional (which I really dig). Fireproofing looks good from what I can tell. The lock seems to be good (brand) but how are the mechanisms? Same question with the Amsec, is it reliable from a side drill attack/hammer the bolt? Does it have a good thick relocker? Does it have a Browning type system? What does it have? Anyone have expeirence with either one of these safes? I'm not really interested in the other safes as I have done enough research to come up with what I have. So does anyone out there have either one of these safes? Any opinions/comments are welcome
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I have a sturdy safe, I love it, but you can't beat the AMSEC either. I think I would pick whichever I could get cheapest by the cubic foot. That will probably be the sturdy. The Amsec is a "prettier" safe, but I like the all business look of the sturdy.
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Hey Blackwater,
Can you take a pic of the locking mechanisms? Is that active bolt system? Can u hammer in all the bolts by hammering just one of them in? On the website, it looked as though some sfaes came with a white interior? didnt look like Carpet though. What interior # did u pick? Thanks dude -G
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wow..without the fire lining and sheetmetal covers, you can really see in there. nice to have the door shelves, which the lined ones do not.
I took mine off to look at it and have pics at home...it's not finished as nice as blackwaters. You can see sturdy doesn't use a center cam plate in the center. the pivots are inside the edge tube. if the deal is unlocked, 2 of the locking pins can be pressed in to move the handle open. when it is locked, a drill attack would, I believe, break off and the relocker would fall into place. I was trying to figure out how to break into my own safe and couldn't because all that stuff is behind steel that is not removable. maybe if you layed it on it's side and drilled thru..dunno, not gonna kill my safe trying, but it might be fun to try on a free one. I'd like to talk to terry now that I have had time to think about it, but I gave up so I think most any thief would also... I'd cut a big hole in the side if I had to get in there, the door doesn't need to be THAT good when you are talking .180" thick steel or less. Last edited by mike100; 02-05-2007 at 11:53 AM.. |
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I have the older AMSEC Cascade 6030 Fire Proof Gun Safe, great safe. No issues or concerns since 2000.
http://www.securitybase.com/Web_stor...ch=Y&ns=Y&dci= S
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I believe I have the same safe as blackwater, only fire lined. Terry at Sturdy Safe is the man. I can't put more emphasis on this. The day I went down to pick up the safe (on a saturday) was an off-business day but he met me there, walked me through the fab area, etc, showed me a cannon safe that took him less than 5 minutes to drill and open, and then proceeded to show me how his safes are superior. Not being the safe technical wizard that he is, I didn't retain alot of the info. But IIRC, the bolt hammer trick does not work on his safes. Give Terry a call. He's full of info. |
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Just for comparison, here's a pic of the door of an AMSEC TL-15:
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Librarian,
That looks nice, real nice but I dont think that will hold any of my long guns... ![]() Well i spoke with Terry at Sturdy. He seems to know his stuff. I really like the Sturdys but no inside delivery. As I have a few stairs to contend with and no real equipment to move it, I dont know how I could get one. I have no exp moving something this large (I hire movers to move my stuff) but If I had to hire movers for this it would get priced out of my budget I would imagine. How hard is to move a 900# safe?
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The moving issue is a real issue for pretty much everyone. Most companies will drop ship the safe to your curb or garage. Placing it inside is a different story. If it needs to go upstairs its an additional saga. And then you call local movers it turns out half their movers are convicted felons!
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Mine ended up in the garage because other options became less attractive when I realized how damn heavy a decent sized strongbox is. I don't have concrete floors in the casa either so I bought blinds for the garage windows and positioned it in the spot not visible from the outside.
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Liner is not removable (at least, not by me!), so I can't even guess how thick the sidewalls are past the insulation. Let's see, some back of the calculator guesses... The thing weighs 3300 lb. empty. Assume for discussion that's all steel. I know it's not. Roughly speaking, the door is 1/5 area, top and bottom are 1/5, left right and back are each 1/5. The door actually is more of the material. Surface area of one side is 2520 square inches. Steel is 490 lb/cu ft., 1728 cubic inches. They might use a different steel than that density refers to, but this number is OK for a guess. 1/5 of 3300 is 660 lb. If that were all steel, that would be 1.34 cubic feet. 1.34 * 1728 is 2315 cubic inches of steel per side. 2315 cubic in / 2520 sq in is 0.918 in, thickness in this case. So, the maximum steel thickness looks like about 9/10 of an inch. We know the distribution is not even - more in the door - and we know the fire liner weighs something. Suppose we say the fire liner is 1000 lb of the mass, again evenly distributed. That would be 1622 cubic inches of steel per side, 0.64 inches thick. I think 'half an inch' is a respectable ballpark figure for the sides, but I really don't know. I suggest it's a reasonable guess, since various sites say they use 1/2 inch body steel on the sides of TL-30 rated safes; 1 example mgm, a general discussion here says Quote:
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I'd probably buy a TL safe next time... you know when the larger safes have feet or wheels, that you need a forklift to lift it up because a few guys aren't going to tilt it into the back of a truck.
maybe there will never be a next time...kind of reminds me of mechanic rollaway boxes. some guys like the big display which requires flat bed tow truck to move and others prefer to have to modest or small boxes so they can empty them out some and pickup truck haul them home. guess it depends on how much a guy job shops. |
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If you are going for a TL rated safe because of the weight then you should reconsider. A non TL safe that is bolted to the floor would prevent a pickup truck getaway just as effectively.
One significant drawback on TL safes is that non that I know of come with fireproofing. So you are purchasing a very good oven (metal mass) that is sure to cook everything until its well done. |
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When I was researching gun safes the 2 best buys for the money IMO were the Sturdy and Amsec models.
Similar but different, I had a friend who had the Sturdy - after he died it took 2 locksmiths 6 hours to drill the thing open. Sturdy is a smaller company than Amsec so it is not widely known how to break into them. They are well made and should resist the bolt attack you mention. I think the Sturdy is a bit more expensive than the Amsec but it may be they give you more too. I won't get into the differences. If I was going to break into either one I would cut a big square into the back or side - peeling off the outside sheet metal then I would pound out the cement mix (amsec) or tear out the fire blanket (sturdy) and then cut the inner liner and pull everythig out from there. It would probably be faster to just take the entire safe away and open it somewhere else where I could make noise and take my time. BTW I ended up buying a used safe of a diff. manufacturer. |
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