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Old 07-13-2011, 9:05 AM
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Default carrying a handgun in a pickup...?

...I've owned a pickup for years, but it had a lockable tool box in the bed where I carried my handguns. I've recently removed the tool box, so could someone give me a refresher on the legal options for transporting a handgun in a truck?

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Old 07-13-2011, 9:07 AM
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Unloaded, in a locked container which is not the glove box nor center console.
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Unloaded, in a locked container which is not the glove box nor center console.
Yup. That.

Also, ammo can be inside the same container. If ammo is outside the same container it does not have to be locked. Loaded magazines can also be in the truck and/or the same container as the firearm as long as they aren't in the firearm itself.
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I keep a lockbox on the passenger seat with the key in the lock, loaded magazines are in the box with the gun.
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I keep a lockbox on the passenger seat with the key in the lock, loaded magazines are in the box with the gun.
I believe that part is cutting the 'locked container' concept too finely.
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I keep a lockbox on the passenger seat with the key in the lock, loaded magazines are in the box with the gun.
Thats like having a bullet button with a magnet stuck to the end of it so you dont need a tool to remove the mag!!
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Something about concealed magazine...?

Empty or loaded mag under the seat?
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Something about concealed magazine...?
Nothing to worry about as long as the gun is in a locked container. It is conceivable that a concealed magazine could cause drama if you are open carrying a firearm. Even there it is fairly unlikely and open carrying magazines is done out of an abundance of caution.
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I have a pickup also, can a wooden box with a lock be ok? Also, does this law also pertain to long guns?
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I have a pickup also, can a wooden box with a lock be ok?
The law just says "fully enclosed container", so yeah a wooden box with a lock should be fine.

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Generally, no. However, the federal gun-free school zone law says that long guns should be in a gun rack or otherwise locked up while traveling through a GFSZ.
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I had a push button combo lock box that I mounted in my truck. Kept 2 loaded mags in the door and an extra box of ammo in the glove box.
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The law just says "fully enclosed container", so yeah a wooden box with a lock should be fine.



Generally, no. However, the federal gun-free school zone law says that long guns should be in a gun rack or otherwise locked up while traveling through a GFSZ.
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I believe that part is cutting the 'locked container' concept too finely.
I plan on pulling the key out if I see blue lights
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Nothing to worry about as long as the gun is in a locked container. It is conceivable that a concealed magazine could cause drama if you are open carrying a firearm. Even there it is fairly unlikely and open carrying magazines is done out of an abundance of caution.
Maybe it was in the context of UOC, but I got the idea that if I just had a loaded mag in my pocket, no gun, I could be charged with concealed firearm.
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Side to side movement can be observed as an attempt to conceal contraband and is probable cause for a search.
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Side to side movement can be observed as an attempt to conceal contraband and is probable cause for a search.
"Furtive movements".
Possibly one of the worst and most abused reasons to establish PC, but it is what it is. And yes, if I was a cop and saw you throwing crap around in the cab I would think you were a junkie stashing dope/weapons/etc too.
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Maybe it was in the context of UOC, but I got the idea that if I just had a loaded mag in my pocket, no gun, I could be charged with concealed firearm.
With no gun you are definitely good to go. If you buy a mag at a store don't they just throw it in a bag and give it to you to walk out of the store? It comes from case law (I believe) that says if any part of the gun is concealed the whole gun is considered concealed. If you don't have a gun on you the magazine isn't part of the gun.
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"Furtive movements".
Possibly one of the worst and most abused reasons to establish PC, but it is what it is. And yes, if I was a cop and saw you throwing crap around in the cab I would think you were a junkie stashing dope/weapons/etc too.
To paraphrase your own words, that is foolishness. I have no intent in letting anyone search my truck. A locked box is just that. There is no side-to-side movement required for me to remove my key.
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Regarding the point about how it can't be the glove box or a console...does this imply that if I were to fasten a case to the inside of the truck, it would then be considered another console? I was thinking about putting a biometric-lock case somewhere in the truck.
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Regarding the point about how it can't be the glove box or a console...does this imply that if I were to fasten a case to the inside of the truck, it would then be considered another console? I was thinking about putting a biometric-lock case somewhere in the truck.
That would be OK.
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Exactly.
I believe the "console" refers to a factory center container made of plastic with a cheap lock on it.

I don't think ripping that out and bolting a safe where it was even makes the new safe a "center console of glove box".
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Exactly.
I believe the "console" refers to a factory center container made of plastic with a cheap lock on it.

I don't think ripping that out and bolting a safe where it was even makes the new safe a "center console of glove box".
It says "the" glove or utility box.

There are otherwise smart people who think bolting a box somewhere makes it a center console. Otherwise smart people have listened to them, and FUD has grown. The intent of the law is actually pretty clear from the legistlative history.
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In fact it would be no different than having a box bolted to your truck for tools/guns/whatever.
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Exactly.
I believe the "console" refers to a factory center container made of plastic with a cheap lock on it.

I don't think ripping that out and bolting a safe where it was even makes the new safe a "center console of glove box".

It seems that everytime a locked container question pops up, sooner or later the question of bolting it down comes into the fray. Is there a definition in the PC that states what a console or glove box is?

I drive an open air jeep and I NEVER leave it unattended while transporting because I am afraid to bolt something down thus making it a "glove box".
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It seems that everytime a locked container question pops up, sooner or later the question of bolting it down comes into the fray. Is there a definition in the PC that states what a console or glove box is?

I drive an open air jeep and I NEVER leave it unattended while transporting because I am afraid to bolt something down thus making it a "glove box".
The law says "the glove or utility box", not tool box, gun safe,ect. My interpretation is factory enclosures of the vehicle not including an isolated trunk which is legal.
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It says "the" glove or utility box.

There are otherwise smart people who think bolting a box somewhere makes it a center console. Otherwise smart people have listened to them, and FUD has grown. The intent of the law is actually pretty clear from the legistlative history.
That is what I'm saying.
I have a safe that is about half the size of a mini-fridge. Thinking about bolting that somewhere in my car. I think it would be pretty cool.

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The law says "the glove or utility box", not tool box, gun safe,ect. My interpretation is factory enclosures of the vehicle not including an isolated trunk which is legal.
That seems like a logical interpretation, which as we all know has no relevance when it comes to firearms regulation.
But I'm with you on this. I think any jury or judge would agree that a locked safe isn't a center console lol.
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That seems like a logical interpretation, which as we all know has no relevance when it comes to firearms regulation.
But I'm with you on this. I think any jury or judge would agree that a locked safe isn't a center console lol.
Depends on which "Subject Matter Expert" the prosecution digs up.

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Most handguns come in those cheap plastic containers with the little holes for a lock inside the handhold corner...

Good enough right?

How secure are these locked containers required to be?
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Most handguns come in those cheap plastic containers with the little holes for a lock inside the handhold corner...

Good enough right?

How secure are these locked containers required to be?
Put it this way, for my HG I use a soft container that has an actual lock on the zipper. GTG. Not a pad lock but an actual keyed locking zipper.
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Most handguns come in those cheap plastic containers with the little holes for a lock inside the handhold corner...

Good enough right?

How secure are these locked containers required to be?
No guidance but common sense on 'how secure'. My advice: if you have any fear at all about claiming 'locked secure case' to LEO, pick something better. If you, sober, think Officer Friendly would look at your case and think 'OK, that's good enough' then probably it would be.
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"Furtive movements".
Possibly one of the worst and most abused reasons to establish PC, but it is what it is. And yes, if I was a cop and saw you throwing crap around in the cab I would think you were a junkie stashing dope/weapons/etc too.
Stuff and nonsense. I also routinely have my lock-box on the passenger seat with the key in the lock, and I ALWAYS WILL. Reaching over with a hand to remove it as you pull over WILL NOT BE NOTICED by any cop. You aren't thrashing about within the car for Chrisakes. I make more movement to get my license and registration ready, and that will be noticed, but I will have them ready before the cop gets to my window.
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Stuff and nonsense. I also routinely have my lock-box on the passenger seat with the key in the lock, and I ALWAYS WILL. Reaching over with a hand to remove it as you pull over WILL NOT BE NOTICED by any cop. You aren't thrashing about within the car for Chrisakes. I make more movement to get my license and registration ready, and that will be noticed, but I will have them ready before the cop gets to my window.
Here is your problem, IS IT a locked container with the key in it?
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Truck with a shell that is locked is OK for storage of Rifle and ammo is OK?.

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padlock around the handle of the factory glock case works for me.
No offense (yeah, sure) but that idea is a NO GO for me. Who wants a locked case that SCREAMS ....GUN..!

Expect to get pulled out of the car when a Police officer spots your GLOCK pistol case. Also, expect to GET HANDCUFFED on the CURB while they use the GLOCK CASE as probably cause to SEARCH you entire car.

How much trouble are you asking for..?.

Get a briefcase at STAPLEs with combo locks on it. Or a Clipboard that can be locked. Or a NETbook case that can be locked.

Refuse a search; once you admit you have a weapon (or a GLOCK CASE which is obvious) the Police have a right to do an 'E' search of that case.

While they do the E search, they will handcuff you and set you on the CURB while they Rape your car and it's contents.

Get a clue.
Here are some valid legal alternatives:

Glock 29 unloaded with two loaded magazines:
Netbook case from Target..$18 bucks



Legally locked up with a combo lock. Doesn't scream GUN to anybody.
Perfectly legal to transport on your front seat.


Another alternative from Staples..A locked Clipboard. Perfectly legal to carry on your lap if you desire.



Notice the weapon has no ammo inserted into the magazine. It's fine to carry loaded magazines in the same locked container.

This also does not scream GUN to anybody. !
Closed and locked with a wally world combo lock. Perfectly legal.



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Who cares what it screams? A corvette is fast, does that mean you were speeding? A locked case is a locked case no matter what is in it. LE without probable cause can't look in it. Think about it!
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