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.22 Rimfire AR15 with Detachable Mags?
No really. A new angle. I promise.
So, we all know that rimfire rifles are exempt from California's A/W ban. Technically, a .22LR AR15 with a detachable magazine and all the evil features should be legal if it's built on an Off List Lower. But the consensus seems to be that, legally, you would be safer to use a dedicated .22LR upper rather than one of the conversion kits. The reasoning goes that with the conversion kit in your centerfire upper DOJ could claim that since the barrel is still marked for a centerfire caliber and the lower is marked for a centerfire caliber, then the rifle is really a centerfire rifle even though it is configured as a rimfire. The dedicated .22LR uppers seem like a safer bet. But some still worry that DOJ will claim the rifle is centerfire because the lower, the only part of the rifle that is legally a firearm, is still marked for a centerfire caliber. It has been suggested on the forum that using one of the brands of Off List Lowers that is not marked for a specific caliber, like Lauer or Mega Gator, might give you even more protection legally. But there is still some concern that a cop might bust you anyway because he knows that "AR15's are centerfire". So how about going one step further. How about getting an Off List Lower that is actually marked .22LR for caliber... And since any A/W busts are most likely going to be made by local cops, at the range, during a traffic stop or domestic situation, rather than by CalDOJ firearms division agents, and just in case they don't know what ".22LR" means, why not even add a little something extra so the cops can easily contrast the word "rimfire" on your rifle with the word "centerfire" on page 71 of their A/W "picture book" guide... I know having an AR lower that you only use for .22 rimfire kind of goes against one of the main benefits of the AR platform, which is the easy switching of calibers. But for those of us who have enough lowers that we probably won't be switching uppers around anyway, it's one more layer of CYA to help ease the mind. Overkill? Maybe. Unnecessary expense? Maybe. But if you're spending $600 on a .22LR plinker anyway, why complain about money.
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58 DAs blah, blah, blah...
Until these lowers are listed, they are plain old rifle receivers subject to SB-23, say's so right in the latest memo. I don't see an issue with using a OLL with a dedicated .22LR upper. The conversion kits do scream "gray area" to me. It would be fine if it was up to me, but it's up to 58 DAs as DOJ so eloquently puts it. Personally, I rather use a 10/22 so I can use my owned before 1/1/2000 over 10 round preban mags.
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This idea has been mentioned before. I personally don't feel it necessary as long as you are using a dedicated 22LR upper and not the conversions. So have you talked any manufactorers into producing this? I don't see many being so hot about it as no one else besides a few here in cali would want one. It wouldn't be too profitable for them.
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Couldn't you take any AR lower and have it engraved by a trophy shop or someone similar?
Heck, use 3/16" stamps from harbor freight and stamp "RIMFIRE 22LR ONLY" in the lower. JP |
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I was originally going to ask them to engrave some kind of warning like "DANGER - .22 LONG RIFLE ONLY", but thought they might not want anything on their lower that would imply it was sub-standard. As I explained to the guy at Lauer what I wanted and why, I kept expecting him to say "No Way!" , but his reply was "Whatever we can legally do to help out you guys in California we'll do." I almost started crying.
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I would love to have a .22 caliber dedicated upper and a lower with proper engraving for a rimfire use only, but the DOJ will definitely jump at this one as well. The only way that I can see DOJ approving such a rifle would be by making completely sure this is a dedicated .22 Rimfire “ONLY”. A rifle that cannot be easily converted to centerfire by just replacing some parts like the complete upper with the bolt and carrier group.
For example: welding the upper and lower together making it a one receiver (NO WAY!) or by welding the forward take down pin somehow making it permanent to the lower but still be able to open the upper and pivoting forward for cleaning purpose. Then if approved! we can have all the other evil features with a removable 10 rds magazine and a nice letter from the DOJ saying it’s ok. Do you think this will fly? |
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