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I still can't believe that I found it, these were made in very low numbers and are so unbelievably freaking cool.
I've been researching these for some time now... anyone want to guess why they are so rare/sought after/collectible? (Yes it DOES take surplus M3 grease gun mags) I'll give you a hint: They don't make em like they used to ![]() (photos show the carbine assembled out of state, it will be disassembled before coming into CA where it will get a fixed 10 round mag..) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Last edited by AJAX22; 10-30-2008 at 3:42 PM.. |
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so what was the final price on it?
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775 shipped (OUCH!)
I'm officially broke, but I had to do it... gonna live off rammen noodles for a while. Still its about 1/3 of what it would have gone for if it had been properly listed so it was still a good deal. you know these things sold for like $119-169 bucks back in the early sixties? Last edited by AJAX22; 10-22-2008 at 6:10 AM.. |
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It does use a real surplus 1928 Thompson stock
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I'm sad to say I remember seeing ads for those back in the late 60's. Sucks being old, other than the cool old toys we have that the new kids can't get.
How do you get around the determination by the batf that the open-bolt Spitfire's are NFA weapons? In reading the ruling I didn't see an exemption for "made prior to x date"? Is this a variation that isn't "named" in the Spitfire ruling? ![]() Last edited by redcliff; 10-22-2008 at 7:45 AM.. |
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Looks like the Spitfire carbine that fires from an open bolt. The ATF looked askance on them because of that feature and the perceived ease in conversion to FA. Tread very carefully on this one. |
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Heh....
Well you guys are close ![]() Y'all are correct that the the Spitfire WAS determined to be a machine gun, all of them were declared machine guns and registered or surrendered. This however is NOT a Spitfire ![]() ![]() And while these are exceedingly easy to convert to FA, (all open bolt guns really are) this one was one of the few which wasn't. (most were turned into MG's prior to the 86 ban) Not a banned by name assault weapon, not a machine gun since it was made before 82... Just a badass semi auto open bolt .45 acp carbine. |
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Well, you do have the most unique collection of firearms AJAX22. Nice find.
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Nope redcliff, it just needs the mag pinned for CA aw regs.
The Eagle had a 16.5 inch barrel and a nice long receiver so it meets the 26inch minimum even with the stock removed. Remember its not a thompson ![]() |
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![]() I'm really happy about this one. I've always liked old subguns, and I've wanted to get a semi auto copy for a long time. but I dislike the modern semi auto replicas because of the needlessly complicated closed bolt varieties are all we can get anymore. |
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Sweet.
I really need to see your full collection next time you're back in the state.
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I'm just curious. How did you get this while in another State. Buying them with your new ID's?
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Heh,
I've never had all of my collection together in one place, but if I ever do, I'll have to throw a calguns BBQ or something so everyone can come and see/play with them. As far as how I get this stuff while I'm temporarily residing out of state, I never said I physically had it in hand (would be illegal in NYC) I just bought it, I didn't take possession of it. Its going to an FFL in CA. And yeah, knowledge is power. There are a bunch of neat toys floating around out there that slipped between the cracks, its just a matter of figuring out what they are and then finding one. Last edited by AJAX22; 10-22-2008 at 1:17 PM.. |
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Seeing all of AJAXs collection would require several days worth of digging and driving.
![]() You definitely have a taste for the curiously different, bro. If I saw that gun elsewhere, I would think it's exactly something you would want. ![]()
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I have no idea what you're talking about
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I will work hard at not breaking anything (parts are impossible to come by and the side effects are not legal)
on a separate note, I've decided to name it 'Hobbes' |
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AJAX- After seeing this, I had to literally register my jealousness as an assault attitude weapon with the dicks at the DOJ!!!!!
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Heh... here is some data I found on the Eagle (well some was taken from spitfire info and may not be 100% correct, I've edited out some bits which were not relevent to these but described individual guns)
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I found a pic of some other guys collection of these, Mine is almost identical to the one at the bottom.
Top to bottom: 1) Spitfire Carbine Full auto 2) Spitfire Carbine Semi Auto 3) Volunteer Carbine Semi Auto 4) Eagle Carbine Semi Auto ![]() |
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Was just thinking about this (obsessing might be a more appropriate term)
It should be on its way soon ![]() |
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![]() ![]() May 1st 1964 shotgun news add for the Eagle... They were even cheaper than I'd thought. |
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Found a few more pics of spitfire's... Mine is an Eagle so its not exactly the same, but it should have nearly identical internals.
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I like the M1A1 Thompson replica
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When I go to big shows, I'm always first in the door and quickly scanning the tables for the exceedingly rare birds that the seller usually has little information or understanding of. I keep a long list in my head of the kooky one-off guns of the '60s and '70s that existed before ATF 82-2 put an end to the shenanigans. |
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I don't have a voere.... (too rich for my blood right now) but I do have two ranger copies of the marlin 50 open bolt .22LR and a Gevarm export model open bolt.
I do like collecting the weird and obscure.... It comes from an immature tenancy to respond to the statement "you can't do that" with "Oh really?" There are always interesting overlooked loopholes if you look hard enough ![]() |
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Its on its Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!
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Very, very cool find my friend. The Thompson modernized for mass production
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shushhhhhhh, a little birdie told me this is somewhere in the state of CA now.... be vewy vewy quiet..... maby we can chase down some photos of it
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Lol,
No.... Its not for sale... I paid for it, but I'm currently in NYC so I can't exactly grab an open bolt .45 carbine and bring it out here with me... So.... It is staying in CA... I sold my interest in it to a friend for $1 who DROS'd it to himself. when I return, if he is bored with it he might just sell it back to me at which point we would fill out the proper PPT paperwork to put it in my name. untill then I can only admire it from afar.... knowing in my heart how freakishly cool it is. |
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about 3 years (well... possibly 2 and a bit)
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My Grandpa had an Eagle Carbine. Looks just like yours and in as good a shape or better. That da**ed thing looked brand new. Grandma has it now that he's passed away and asked if I wanted to buy it (my family...only people I know who pass down family heirlooms by selling them). I think the price was going to be around $1K or so, but I turned it down. She still has it and I doubt it's going anywhere outside the family.
Supposedly they were made in very low numbers because the Eagle factory burned down shortly after they started making them. All of their records were lost and that might be why ATF never listed (this is speculation on my part). Don't know if that's true or not, but apparently that's what Grandpa had always told my dad. I don't remember him telling me that info, but I remember as a kid not being too much interested in the gun because "it's not really a machine gun". Makes me chuckle. Nice find, Ajax. -Jason |
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