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Old 07-02-2016, 10:03 PM
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Default OFFICIAL VETO REFERENDUM THREAD- GOALS, LINKS, UPDATES INSIDE

Hey everyone, what are your thoughts on a veto referendum? It is allowed in California. There are lots of gun owners in this state and a sizable LGBT community that is becoming active in shooting sports and self defense. We may be able to get the signatures to get it on a ballot in the future. I have updated some of the information in this post and will do my best to keep it up to date. I'm not a writer by any stretch of the word so bear with me Anything you feel should be in the first post just send me a pm and I will add. To volunteer go to the following links.

If you own a business: http://www.vetogunmageddon.org/regis...ition-signing/

Correct way to collect signatures. This is very important!!!
http://www.cirrraof2016.com/voluntee...ning-info.html

If you're just a regular person looking to volunteer:
http://www.vetogunmageddon.org/volunteer/

We need donations folks!! Every little bit helps

Donations http://www.vetogunmageddon.org/donations-options/

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Veto Gunmageddon FAQ's https://www.vetogunmageddon.org/faqs/

"Referendum
Article II, Section 9, of the California Constitution provides for the referendum process in California. Electors have the power to approve or reject statutes or parts of statutes, with the exception of urgency statutes, statutes calling elections, and statutes providing for tax levies or appropriations for usual, current state expenses.

Referenda can qualify for the statewide ballot up to 31 days before an election (unlike initiatives which must qualify 131 days before).

Since July 2011, referendum measures only appear on general election ballots.

A proponent has only 90 days from the date of the enactment of a bill to request and receive a circulating title and summary from the Attorney General (Elections Code 9006(a) allows 10 days for the preparation of the circulating title and summary), print petitions, gather the required number of valid signatures, and file the petitions with the county elections officials.

The petitions must be signed by registered voters in an amount equal to 5% of the votes cast for all candidates for Governor at the gubernatorial election. The total number of signatures required as of November 4, 2014, is 365,880.

Once petitions are filed, county elections officials have 8 working days to determine a raw count of the signatures submitted and report their findings to the Secretary of State.

Once the statewide total reaches at least 100% of the required amount of signatures (365,880), the Secretary of State directs the counties to begin a random sample verification of signatures. Counties have 30 working days to complete a random sample of 3% or 500 signatures, whichever is greater, and report their results to the Secretary of State.

If the statewide random sample total projects more than 110% of the required amount of signatures (402,468), the referendum would qualify for the ballot. If the statewide total is less than 95% of the required amount of signatures (347,586), the referendum would fail to qualify for the ballot.

If the statewide total falls between 95% and 110%, counties would be required to perform a full check of signatures and report their results to the Secretary of State within 30 working days. Once the statewide full count total reached 100% of the required amount of signatures, the referendum would qualify for the ballot.

Once on the ballot, the law is repealed if voters cast more NO votes than YES votes on the referendum in question." (Which means 50% + 1 to repeal these Laws!)

See SOS link below to read how signatures are verified & more details.



SOS site HERE:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ball...tiative-guide/

CA Referendum specifics HERE:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ball...es/referendum/



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-We have emails out to the major California gun rights advocacy groups letting them know what we're trying to do, why we're doing it, and why we just might succeed with their help.

-We have a vendor stepping up offering to do whatever they can to help.

-We have many people in this thread offering to do some leg work when it comes to actually getting the qualified signatures and some good ideas on where to get them.

-Once we get the actual petition forms we'll need to organize by city to get out there for signatures. Coordinate with gun stores, sporting goods stores, etc. to see if we can leave the forms there so all the people swamping their counters can sign on the dotted lines.

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Old 07-02-2016, 10:41 PM
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Default Referendum YES ! But time is ticking.

Referendum.
This is the first and most obvious first path to derail the Legislative and Executive branches, and their un-Constitutional actions.
But you really need to be prepared to launch this sort of effort.
The time frame is short, but when it all comes together, and enough signatures are turned in to the Elections official, the feeling of realizing that David just kicked Goliath's *** is simply awe inspiring.

When enough referendum signatures are gathered, the passed legislation is put on hold, until a duly scheduled election is held, and then the People get the final say, after full debate and campaigning, yes or no.
Direct Democracy in action.

As to why this simple procedure has not been prepared for, or even discussed, is a mystery to myself. Why wait for un-Constitutional laws to pass, then spend years fighting uphill through the court system? Why?

Are pro gun lawyers just wanting the high paid, high stakes briffle braffle of a court room fight, instead of using every Constitutional tool in the tool box to actually fight illegal proclamations by a traitorous government?
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We would need 365,880 signatures to get on the ballot
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Maybe we should be demanding this by the organizations collecting 2A funds.......
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Maybe we should be demanding this by the organizations collecting 2A funds.......
That would be an excellent use of our hard earned $$$
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Here is the Secretary of State's page on Referendum: http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ball...es/referendum/

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A proponent has only 90 days from the date of the enactment of a bill (or in the case of a redistricting map, the date a final map is certified to the Secretary of State) to request and receive a circulating title and summary from the Attorney General (Elections Code 9006(a) allows 10 days for the preparation of the circulating title and summary), print petitions, gather the required number of valid signatures, and file the petitions with the county elections officials.

The petitions must be signed by registered voters in an amount equal to 5% of the votes cast for all candidates for Governor at the gubernatorial election. The total number of signatures required as of November 4, 2014, is 365,880.
Do scroll to the bottom to see the scorecard of past referenda submissions.
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The details only count after the Governor signs the bills.

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Default Ticking clock for referendum, it can be done.

So, a request for a title and summary to file a referendum should have been ready to go and submitted by 4 pm last Friday. Water under bridge.
Get up in the morning and start anew.

Given the Nation's Founding holiday weekend, Tuesday the 5th is the soonest to make such a request. A loss of 4 days out of 90.

But, those 4 days would not be a total loss if a solid ballot question and campaign were established, then submitted on July 5th. Key connections made these next two days. Strategy started. Forces marshaled.

A hasty referendum now certainly is a long shot. And to put together a last minute campaign to fight against tyranny and complete destruction of our Constitutional rights is time consuming. But in lieu of "lay down and submit" or "moving out of state" or "lynch them" comments throughout this site, a referendum is worth any and all efforts.

I've successfully won a last minute referendum that required 10% of voters. This looks to require only 5% of voters. That's an easy hill.

If they can outrageously violate our God given Rights, then we can, at a minimum, use OUR Constitution to fight back. And leave it at the ballot box, before it has to be left on the field.

Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

God bless the American experiment, and to freedom over tyranny.

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This was a great post!! I need to start reading and learning. Tired of my rights being stripped. Every law they passed we'll do nothing except take more rights away. I have donated, written letters phone calls, email to friends, social media. I would volunteer for anything.


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Here is the Secretary of State's page on Referendum: http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ball...es/referendum/

Do scroll to the bottom to see the scorecard of past referenda submissions.
When the hammer drops the BS stops.
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CalGuns.org needs to be on this like right now.

Have ammo vendors give links as part of checkout to the online petition site. That way, everyone who orders ammo will see it. Cabelas and Midway and the rest of 'em too.

This is grassroots fighting at it's best but only if everyone pulls their weight. 365k signatures should be easy. There's already 1/3 of that here. Where do I sign?
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Just a couple of cautions if folks are serious...the number of signatures is a number of "valid" signatures...the normal "fall out" of non valid signatures can run 20% and especially if there is a movement to invalidate the petitions...I hear (anonymous sources) that Gavin's referrendum petitions are full of non valid signatures that have been purposely placed on the petitions to force a count of each and every signature and a validation of that signature....going to be a mess.

One other thing..petitions for placing a referendum on a ballot have to be in a form approved for that matter...can't just start some internet petition and have it mean anything as it won't...it means getting folks to gather signatures non stop in front of wally mart, etc...Got to play "by the rules" or forget the whole thing. There are signature gathering companies that hire day workers to get petitions signed...most of the folks you see getting signatures are being paid a "bounty" for each signature....there is a great expense in doing this (Gavin had Bloomberg backing him for this kind of thing) but it's probably the only way to do things on a rush basis..takes thousands of people to gather the half million signatures probably needed..
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This stuff does work, there was a state wide plastic grocery bag ban passed either last year or 2014 and enough signatures got signed to postpone it and put it on this year's ballot to let the voters decide. Think of gathering signatures at places like Turners, Bass Pro, Sportmans warehouse and local gun stores

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7-1-2016

SACRAMENTO - Governor Edmund G. Brown Jr. today issued a proclamation declaring July 4, 2016 as Independence Day in the State of California.

The text of the proclamation is below:

PROCLAMATION

On July 2nd, 1776, in the midst of the Revolutionary War, the Second Continental Congress approved a resolution of independence, drafted by delegate Richard Henry Lee of Virginia, which gave force of law to our separation from the colonial power of Great Britain. Two days later, this resolution was made public in the form of the Declaration of Independence, whose primary author was Thomas Jefferson. Each year since then, we have celebrated the fourth day of July as Independence Day, the birthday of the United States of America.

The famous principles enshrined in the Declaration of Independence are not only the foundation of our country's freedom: they have become a global standard for the liberty and autonomy of all peoples. As we participate in "Fourth of July" traditions from midday barbecues to evening pyrotechnics, I urge all Californians to remember the convictions of our forebears that led them to create a new nation, the courage of those who fought to make and keep us independent and the great work that lies ahead as we strive to fulfill the American dream.

NOW THEREFORE I, EDMUND G. BROWN JR., Governor of the State of California, do hereby proclaim July 4, 2016, as Independence Day.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Great Seal of the State of California to be affixed this 1st day of July 2016.

What a POS. This on the same day as he wiped his *** with our Constitution.
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Well, I think if we had signature lists at every gun store in the state, we could probably get there, especially considering everything that's been said about how packed all of them have been.
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with the rate gun shops are filling up at the moment you can get a lot of signatures
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Three signatures from my family. Just let me know where to sign it.
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We would need 365,880 signatures to get on the ballot
If Newsome can get on the ballot we can too, provided the GOP helped us out. You need an organization that has a presence and active members in every town as well as the infrastructure and legal-know-how. Put something on there that modifies the "Ammo Ban" into something less tyrannical for example.

Unless we as Calguns wanted to do it ourselves.
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Say there were enough signatures gathered in time and these bills just passed were put to vote, do you really think the voters in CA would deliver a different outcome? I don't.

I can understand the due process of voting instead of it being rammed down our throats but I really believe we'd have the same, if not worse outcome.
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Ok so in order to this we would need to contact Groups like Cal Guns and Firearms Policy Coalition to help with the legality of it. I have no problem going to my gun stores here in kern and asking to put this on their counter or standing outside and notifying people of this referendum.
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Default CA Initiative and Referendum Process

Since 365,880 signatures are required to qualify an Initiative or Referendum (in 2016), the minimum target should be 402,469 signatures (110% of the required signatures).
The deadline for submitting petitions to each County Elections Official is Sept 29,2016? (90 days from the date of the enactment of a bill)

A separate Referendum is needed to repeal in full, the language passed under each of the separate bills.

"Referendum
Article II, Section 9, of the California Constitution provides for the referendum process in California. Electors have the power to approve or reject statutes or parts of statutes, with the exception of urgency statutes, statutes calling elections, and statutes providing for tax levies or appropriations for usual, current state expenses.

Referenda can qualify for the statewide ballot up to 31 days before an election (unlike initiatives which must qualify 131 days before).

Since July 2011, referendum measures only appear on general election ballots.

A proponent has only 90 days from the date of the enactment of a bill to request and receive a circulating title and summary from the Attorney General (Elections Code 9006(a) allows 10 days for the preparation of the circulating title and summary), print petitions, gather the required number of valid signatures, and file the petitions with the county elections officials.

The petitions must be signed by registered voters in an amount equal to 5% of the votes cast for all candidates for Governor at the gubernatorial election. The total number of signatures required as of November 4, 2014, is 365,880.

Once petitions are filed, county elections officials have 8 working days to determine a raw count of the signatures submitted and report their findings to the Secretary of State.

Once the statewide total reaches at least 100% of the required amount of signatures (365,880), the Secretary of State directs the counties to begin a random sample verification of signatures. Counties have 30 working days to complete a random sample of 3% or 500 signatures, whichever is greater, and report their results to the Secretary of State.

If the statewide random sample total projects more than 110% of the required amount of signatures (402,468), the referendum would qualify for the ballot. If the statewide total is less than 95% of the required amount of signatures (347,586), the referendum would fail to qualify for the ballot.

If the statewide total falls between 95% and 110%, counties would be required to perform a full check of signatures and report their results to the Secretary of State within 30 working days. Once the statewide full count total reached 100% of the required amount of signatures, the referendum would qualify for the ballot.

Once on the ballot, the law is repealed if voters cast more NO votes than YES votes on the referendum in question." (Which means 50% + 1 to repeal these Laws!)

See SOS link below to read how signatures are verified & more details.


DEFINITIONS

Referendum: Pursuant to article II, section 9, of the California Constitution, the referendum is the power of the electors [registered voters] to approve or reject statutes enacted by the Legislature. However, the referendum cannot be used on urgency statutes, statutes calling elections, or statutes providing for tax levies or appropriations for current expenses of the State. [Repeal a Law]

Initiative Statute: Petitions proposing initiative statutes must be signed by registered voters. The number of signatures must be equal to at least 5% of the total votes cast for Governor at the last gubernatorial election. (Cal. Const., art. II, 8(b); Elections Code 9035.) The total number of signatures required for initiative statutes is 365,880. [Voters create a Law]

CA Secretary of State: Statewide Initiative Guide & How to Qualify an Initiative/Referendum
It's long on info, but gives you the nuts and bolts of how to qualify an Initiative, with dates and other requirements. "The signature requirements are the same for a referendum as an initiative statute; however, the referendum circulation calendar, verification, timing, and form of the petition have different requirements. For example on the timing, a proponent only has 90 days from the date of the enactment of a bill to request and receive a circulating title and summary from the Attorney General (Elections Code 9006(a) allows 10 days for the preparation of the circulating title and summary), print petitions, gather the required number of valid signatures, and file the petitions with the county elections officials."

SOS site HERE:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ball...tiative-guide/

CA Referendum specifics HERE:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ball...es/referendum/

Me thinks if you're going to be out gathering signatures anyway, then gather signatures for BOTH a Referendum & an Initiative for each of the Bills the Governor signed. Both have different time frames, but similar qualification requirements. If $5 per signature was paid to gatherers (common for large efforts), that would cost a ballpark $1.8 million to qualify (campaigning comes later). Hey NRA, please put those dues to work, quickly.
For as we know.....as goes California, so goes the country, in short order. God help us all.

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Since 365,880 signatures are required to qualify an Initiative or Referendum (in 2016), the minimum target should be 402,469 signatures (110% of the required signatures). The deadline for submitting petitions to each County Elections Official is _______.

"Referendum
Article II, Section 9, of the California Constitution provides for the referendum process in California. Electors have the power to approve or reject statutes or parts of statutes, with the exception of urgency statutes, statutes calling elections, and statutes providing for tax levies or appropriations for usual, current state expenses.

Referenda can qualify for the statewide ballot up to 31 days before an election (unlike initiatives which must qualify 131 days before).

Since July 2011, referendum measures only appear on general election ballots.

A proponent has only 90 days from the date of the enactment of a bill to request and receive a circulating title and summary from the Attorney General (Elections Code 9006(a) allows 10 days for the preparation of the circulating title and summary), print petitions, gather the required number of valid signatures, and file the petitions with the county elections officials.

The petitions must be signed by registered voters in an amount equal to 5% of the votes cast for all candidates for Governor at the gubernatorial election. The total number of signatures required as of November 4, 2014, is 365,880.

Once petitions are filed, county elections officials have 8 working days to determine a raw count of the signatures submitted and report their findings to the Secretary of State.

Once the statewide total reaches at least 100% of the required amount of signatures (365,880), the Secretary of State directs the counties to begin a random sample verification of signatures. Counties have 30 working days to complete a random sample of 3% or 500 signatures, whichever is greater, and report their results to the Secretary of State.

If the statewide random sample total projects more than 110% of the required amount of signatures (402,468), the referendum would qualify for the ballot. If the statewide total is less than 95% of the required amount of signatures (347,586), the referendum would fail to qualify for the ballot.

If the statewide total falls between 95% and 110%, counties would be required to perform a full check of signatures and report their results to the Secretary of State within 30 working days. Once the statewide full count total reached 100% of the required amount of signatures, the referendum would qualify for the ballot.

Once on the ballot, the law is repealed if voters cast more NO votes than YES votes on the referendum in question." (Which means 50% + 1 to repeal these Laws!)

See SOS link below to read how signatures are verified & more details.


DEFINITIONS

Referendum: Pursuant to article II, section 9, of the California Constitution, the referendum is the power of the electors [registered voters] to approve or reject statutes enacted by the Legislature. However, the referendum cannot be used on urgency statutes, statutes calling elections, or statutes providing for tax levies or appropriations for current expenses of the State. [Repeal a Law]

Initiative Statute: Petitions proposing initiative statutes must be signed by registered voters. The number of signatures must be equal to at least 5% of the total votes cast for Governor at the last gubernatorial election. (Cal. Const., art. II, 8(b); Elections Code 9035.) The total number of signatures required for initiative statutes is 365,880. [Voters create a Law]

CA Secretary of State: Statewide Initiative Guide & How to Qualify an Initiative/Referendum
It's long on info, but gives you the nuts and bolts of how to qualify an Initiative, with dates and other requirements. "The signature requirements are the same for a referendum as an initiative statute; however, the referendum circulation calendar, verification, timing, and form of the petition have different requirements. For example on the timing, a proponent only has 90 days from the date of the enactment of a bill to request and receive a circulating title and summary from the Attorney General (Elections Code 9006(a) allows 10 days for the preparation of the circulating title and summary), print petitions, gather the required number of valid signatures, and file the petitions with the county elections officials."

SOS site HERE:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ball...tiative-guide/

CA Referendum specifics HERE:
http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/ball...es/referendum/

Me thinks if you're going to be out gathering signatures anyway, then gather signatures for BOTH a Referendum & an Initiative for each of the Bills the Governor signed. Both have different time frames, but similar qualification requirements. If $5 per signature was paid to gatherers (common for large efforts), that would cost a ballpark $1.8 million to qualify (campaigning comes later). Hey NRA, please put those dues to work, quickly.
For as we know.....as goes California, so goes the country, in short order. God help us all.


It's safe to say that if the NRA doesn't come up with something similar to what's suggested on this thread by next Friday, we all know how the organization has just been suckering its members in CA.
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Why not give it a shot?
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We have a shot at repealing these Laws before they go into effect!
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Many CA law enforcement organizations opposed SB 880 right? Then they should support a veto referendum too.
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Where do I sign?
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:11 AM
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CA has an estimated legal population of about 35 million?
And an estimated 20% own guns.
That would roughly equate to about 7 million gun owners?
And if half of those are registered to vote, that would give you a pool of about 3.5 million voters to gather around 400,000 signatures from.
Just guessing.
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:30 AM
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I'm in on this. I'll volunteer my time to stand in front of gun stores and ranges to get votes.

This is going to be a big election, and as gun owners are finding out about what happened they're going to have extra incentive to get out the vote this year. We can win this. Even better, it'll send a strong message to the capitol that the people have had enough.

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Old 07-03-2016, 11:31 AM
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Initiative to stop crazy CA laws?

Sorry, tried that 20 years ago with prop 187. Even if passed, the democrat forces will destroy it. I have zero faith in the initiative process now that it's been gamed by paid signers and the corporations that fund them.
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:34 AM
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So how do we move this from a forum thread to a meaningful grassroots effort to turn this around? We obviously need money behind us. I agree with others in this thread that the NRA, FPC, and other groups we send money should back this. I like the positive feedback shown here!

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Old 07-03-2016, 11:40 AM
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I've never been involved in something like this but I'm willing to spend my days off (Tuesdays & Wednesdays) in +100 heat and collect signatures. Modesto

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Initiative to stop crazy CA laws?

Sorry, tried that 20 years ago with prop 187. Even if passed, the democrat forces will destroy it. I have zero faith in the initiative process now that it's been gamed by paid signers and the corporations that fund them.
I'd rather try and fail than do nothing and get the same result.

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Old 07-03-2016, 11:42 AM
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Thread tagged. Will watch closely.
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:51 AM
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I've lost faith in the system.

However, if one of the half dozen gun rights orgs I am a member of and donate to would back this with money, so that it actually has a chance, I would volunteer to gather signatures.

Where's all the lawyers on the board to draft something up?
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:58 AM
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I've lost faith in the system.

However, if one of the half dozen gun rights orgs I am a member of and donate to would back this with money, so that it actually has a chance, I would volunteer to gather signatures.

Where's all the lawyers on the board to draft something up?
I will gather signatures as well. I've been putting my money where my mouth is, but that hasn't helped. Time to put boots on the ground.

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Old 07-03-2016, 12:05 PM
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I can gather a few signatures and willing to buy lunch for whomever volunteer collecting signatures at stores in Fresno and clovis areas.
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