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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201520160AB857
a person who manufactures or assembles a firearm to first apply to the department for a unique serial number or other identifying mark
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"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." Thomas Jefferson |
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I thought the time to push new bills this season had passed?
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New legislation, yes. All these are gut and amends. Which means they strip the original content of the bill, for this sh*t.
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"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." Thomas Jefferson |
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I think this is one is more to parallel track the Senate equivalent bill from De Leon - SB1407. There's a specific strategy to this, and someone far my knowledgeable about the legislative process will be able to explain it. From a layman's understanding, dual tracking it this way would seem to make things go quicker, with both the Senate and Assembly versions concurrently going through the various committees and floor votes, instead of one legislative body at a time as is the conventional way, back and forth for concurring amendments and the like.
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Seems like a C&R firearm from a period when serial numbers were not required would require a collector to apply for an SN; and stamp it on the C&R firearm.
Do I read it correctly?
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pre-68 long guns are exempt.
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this is for all all those 80%'s to be tracked.
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This piece of work started out as a global warming bill; it morphed into a gun regulation under the table and behind the scenes. Too bad there's not a law requiring legislators to stay on subject when making modifications to existing bills. This sleight of hand crap is another feature of our "legislature" which utterly urinates me off.
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The current California legislature is home of the most despicable cockroaches in the country.
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I want to say that they used something like that to pass the final version of ObamaCare, amending the House version to use the Senate's language *after* it had passed the House, but I don't know for sure. One thing is certain - if you do a web search on any engine for "gut and amend", everything that comes up is talking about California's use of the procedure. So even if other places are doing it, our legislature is the most prolific abuser of the process.
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Fearful law abiding citizens who home build might call the DOJ to get their serial number and undergo a background check, those who have built and want to continue using them without fear of harassment can get their serial number.....
The people DeLeon and others say are building firearms to sell or use in crimes........ can still just build and sell or use without calling the DOJ for a serial number or background check. So.... it does not make it harder for criminals, just citizens, okay.. so really they don't trust citizens, got it.
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That was discussed. The bills author and the Committee agreed that defacing a collectible, curio or relic was not the intent - and that the language can be changed to accommodate that circumstance.
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While I check this page frequently, sometimes several dozens times a day if a bill(s) are being heard, every few weeks while reading the California 2nd Amendment Political Discussion & Activism forum I realize focus is being lost, and I start seeing posts like "what should I get before the ban" and How do I register my AR15?".
This thread succinctly addresses this bill. It may need updates, but that's why it's being bumped and to get the importance of it back on the front page. SOOooooo many of these bills are being ignored, forgotten or lost in the minutiae of how many Anti-2nd Amendment bills have been introduced this year, that it's exactly what these legislators have been hoping to do since the beginning - to create chaos, distraction, and an avalanche so cumbersome that most gun owners simply burn out, see it as futile, and go full-blown apathetic. We can't let that happen.
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Assembly Floor Session - Jun 30, 2016
AB-857 Firearms: identifying information. Cooper http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201520160AB857 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgkYntr7vEY 46 to 24 06/30/16 Senate amendments concurred in. To Engrossing and Enrolling. |
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http://assembly.ca.gov/legislativedeadlines
California lawmakers have until August 31 to submit bills. You're not done yet. |
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"Senate amendments concurred in. To Engrossing and Enrolling."
WTF? Indeed. This page says it's the stage just BEFORE it's delivered to the governor: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/guide.html
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nothing official...but I saw this article dated: JULY 12, 2016, 6:15 P.M.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...htmlstory.html Bills the governor vetoed would have: — Put an initiative on the November ballot to clarify that theft of a firearm is grand theft and is punishable as a felony. — Require those who make guns at home to register them with the state and get a serial number so the weapons can be tracked. — Required stolen or lost guns to be reported within five days. — Limited Californians to the purchase of one rifle or shotgun per month |
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(2) Any bill passed by the Legislature before September 1 of the second calendar year of the biennium of the legislative session and in the possession of the Governor on or after September 1 that is not returned on or before September 30 of that year becomes a statute.The September 30th deadline in (b)(2) is for bills passed at the end of the legislative session in August, and which are then passed onto the Governor in September. Seeing as it's July, the 12-day deadline in (b)(3) will kick in before it's September 1st. For AB857, the 12-day clock starts July 12, 2016. According to the history page on the California Legislature's website, AB857 was enrolled and presented to the Governor at 4:30 p.m on July 12, 2016. So the Governor has until July 24, 2016 to sign or veto. If you have doubts about a 12-day timeline existing, some California government websites like this and this clearly state that the Governor has 12 days to sign or veto for stuff that is not at the end of the legislative session. Last edited by ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ; 07-13-2016 at 2:15 AM.. Reason: Grammar |
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I would say the Majority of the California voters are the despicable cockroaches.
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We need to act today. AB 857 is on the governor's desk now. Please call him at 916-445-2841 and tell him to veto this again just like he did last year. Use this link to stand with the FPC: https://www.firearmspolicy.org/alert...eid=6e2114608f
Otherwise we all need to start paying the DOJ to give us dumb numbers so we can pay an engraver to deface our home builds. |
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https://www.firearmspolicy.org/alert...eid=f989dd1963 Last edited by seabee1; 07-13-2016 at 1:01 PM.. |
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