What ever happened to Ares Armor Lawsuit?

[dscoduc]

A quick search on the internet returned this link which has a history of court filings... unfortunately I never made it to law school and can't decipher what it all means... If I recall correctly Ares was suing for ATF taking all of their clients records during their raids... Does anyone know what happened with these guys?

[Wes C Addle]

not sure what happened but if anyone deserves to get sued it should be Ares.

[dscoduc]

Originally Posted by Wes C Addle

not sure what happened but if anyone deserves to get sued it should be Ares.

Not sure what your beef is but I've always had good service and product from them... Apparently so have others since they have been for a while now and are still in business.

[JunkYrdDog]

After the ATF raid, I drove all the way down there and bought a couple T-shirts from them for support....... Paid cash lol

[teg33]

I heard that Ares lost the case, but I'm not sure

[aresarmorrusty]

Originally Posted by Wes C Addle

not sure what happened but if anyone deserves to get sued it should be Ares.

Ouch, my feelings.

[Metal God]

Ouch, my feelings

And that's just one of many reasons Ares needs to just go away . Instead of updating the thread and help the OP out . They just ignore you till you go away .

[socal147]

Originally Posted by aresarmorrusty

Ouch, my feelings.

It is your reputation, not your feelings that gets hurt.

[aresarmorrusty]

Originally Posted by Metal God

And that's just one of many reasons Ares needs to just go away . Instead of updating the thread and help the OP out . They just ignore you till you go away .

Easy, I was joking. There was nothing there with his comment that added anything to the discussion. Understandable, honestly, that we have that rep around here, but that's why I am here. This is another avenue of getting better customer service out there, which has been a big problem in our past. If Wes has an issue with our service, I can take care of that! But what's with the whole "deserve to be sued?" Especially if you're pro-2A, I would assume any lawsuit against a company in the industry would be a bad thing unless we had broken the law or hurt someone.

I really cannot talk about any of the litigation, unfortunately, but there's plenty pending. Hopes are high about it.

-Beau at Ares Armor

[barrage]

Originally Posted by dscoduc

Not sure what your beef is but I've always had good service and product from them... Apparently so have others since they have been for a while now and are still in business.

Hating Ares just seems to be what all the cool kids are doing on Calguns these days and nothing to do with a poor personal experience as a customer.

[aresarmorrusty]

Originally Posted by socal147

It is your reputation, not your feelings that gets hurt.

True enough. I had forgotten that our reputation was so poor that I couldn't reply to a snarky comment with a snarky reply. My apologies about not adding some clarification to my original comment, and I won't edit it to make it look like it didn't happen. Just hope people can read down the thread to see this one.

[socal147]

Originally Posted by aresarmorrusty

But what's with the whole "deserve to be sued?" Especially if you're pro-2A, I would assume any lawsuit against a company in the industry would be a bad thing unless we had broken the law or hurt someone.

Originally Posted by aresarmorrusty

True enough. Just hope people can read down the thread to see this one.

Your response(s) to any negative about Ares reflects your stance now and your willingness to correct any past wrong, perceived or real.
Very appropriate responses as noted above. Thank you ...

[guns4life]

Originally Posted by barrage

Hating Ares just seems to be what all the cool kids are doing on Calguns these days and nothing to do with a poor personal experience as a customer.

I don't think you want to go there with assumptions or this thread will go sideways real quick.

[barrage]

Originally Posted by guns4life

I don't think you want to go there with assumptions or this thread will go sideways real quick.

Every thread about Ares is destined to go sideways because my assumptions are correct. Calguns can be a pretty cool place, but the community has a bad habit of forming mobs against people who have the balls to spit in the State's face rather than sit at home and waste paper writing letters.

[pacrat]

I applaud Ares for standing up to ATF bullies. And hope they prevail against the JBTs.

Dimitri is a 2A hero.

[Metal God]

the community has a bad habit of forming mobs against people who have the balls to spit in the State's face rather than sit at home and waste paper writing letters.

I applaud Ares for standing up to ATF bullies.

You guys clearly have not been around long enough to understand why they have the rep they do .

Just because you do some good does not erase the bad you've done .

I have no way to prove it but I'd bet dollars to donuts that there POOR CS 3 years ago was a big factor why the ATF kept a close eye on them . I'm sure hundreds of complaints were filed with multiple agencies about how they were treating there customers . I believe that was what put them on the governments radar .

[aresarmorrusty]

Originally Posted by Metal God

You guys clearly have not been around long enough to understand why they have the rep they do .

Just because you do some good does not erase the bad you've done .

I have no way to prove it but I'd bet dollars to donuts that there POOR CS 3 years ago was a big factor why the ATF kept a close eye on them . I'm sure hundreds of complaints were filed with multiple agencies about how they were treating there customers . I believe that was what put them on the governments radar .

[SoldierLife7]

Originally Posted by barrage

Every thread about Ares is destined to go sideways because my assumptions are correct. Calguns can be a pretty cool place, but the community has a bad habit of forming mobs against people who have the balls to spit in the State's face rather than sit at home and waste paper writing letters.

Preach!

[pacrat]

You guys clearly have not been around long enough to understand why they have the rep they do .

Yeah, some here have CS beefs with Ares. I get it. They sold some 45 frames that fall apart if you drop them on carpet. And some plastic 80% lowers made with 2 colors of plastic that pissed of the Feds. And triggered the raid on their business.

I personally would not donate one drop of my urine if it was to be used to extinguish a fire at Ammo Bros.

Yet I would still wish them well in a legal battle with ATF.

There is a proverb that dates back to 4th Century BC.

"The enemy of my enemy, is my friend"

The ATF is the enemy of all freedom loving 2A advocates.

JM2c

[Metal God]

Yeah, some here have CS beefs with Ares. I get it. They sold some 45 frames that fall apart if you drop them on carpet. And some plastic 80% lowers made with 2 colors of plastic that pissed of the Feds. And triggered the raid on their business.

haha that's funny , I did not know about those things . Probably because I stopped reading anything to do with Ares quite some time ago . Not sure how I got sucked into this one . That's on me though , curiosity killed the cat I guess .

There are many reasons now including the above why I personally don't even walk near that corner at the gun show . It's been talked about at length here and I feel no need to bring up each thing they have or have not done . You all can do what you want . If they have cleaned up the CS issue and now apparently selling bad product , that's great . I personally don't care . I washed my hands of them quite some time ago .

[aresarmorrusty]

Originally Posted by Metal God

If they have cleaned up the CS issue and now apparently selling great product , that's great!

FTFY.

(My edits bolded and red! Ha.)

[Bones98]

What's up with Dimitri? And is he still involved with the lawsuits?

[wolfwood]

Originally Posted by dscoduc

A quick search on the internet returned this link which has a history of court filings... unfortunately I never made it to law school and can't decipher what it all means... If I recall correctly Ares was suing for ATF taking all of their clients records during their raids... Does anyone know what happened with these guys?

The Oceanside Ares Armor store has nothing to do with any of the litigation against the ATF anymore. After his split with Oceanside Ares Armor, Dimitri and the owner of the National City Ares Armor store continued the lawsuit against the ATF via their separate company Lycuragan.

He is awaiting a decision in the ATF case. All pleadings have been filed with the Court. A decision should come from the Court by the end of the year.

If Dimitri loses at the district court level he will appeal the matter to the Ninth Circuit.

If you would like to support Dimitri's lawsuit please consider visiting the National City Ares Armor store which still actively supports the lawsuits.

[pacrat]

I've never been a customer of Ares. Likely never will, because I'm not a rapid fire bullet spitter tactikewl type shooter. So their business practices then, and now, do not effect me at all. Anyone that feels harmed by Ares business practices. Should exercise their 1A rights to publicly bad mouth them. But to publicly root for the ATF, in the hopes Ares gets punished. Goes against the 2A RKBA.

My sole point, is once again that.

"The enemy of my enemy, is my friend"

The ATF is a rogue enforcement arm of the Anti Feds. They need to be stopped. Or at least curtailed on every front.

On that issue alone, I support Dimitri and applaud his courage for poking the bear.

JM2c

[Metal God]

But to publicly root for the ATF, in the hopes Ares gets punished. Goes against the 2A RKBA.

upon deeper thought , I would have to agree .