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Old 12-01-2019, 8:11 PM
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Me too.

Been thinking vernier, or repro scope
https://hi-luxoptics.com/products/ma...ic-rifle-scope

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I saved up for a 1895 Cowboy. I love it.

I'm debating on installing a vernier sight for long range plinking or getting a Ranger peep sight and stay at 200 yards.
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Advantages/disadvantages over the big 50's? Or just personal preference?

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Most companies that make a 1874 Sharps also make it in 45-90, -110, or -120.
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Old 12-02-2019, 9:22 AM
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Methinks that unless you already have another .45-70, the Ruger #1 in that caliber is a waste; might as well get one in .458 Lott. You will get better performance, with less pressure, and can use the .458WM if you need.
Neither of those are on my radar, but the .458 Lott is indeed something to consider. I’ve enough to keep me busy for the foreseeable future.

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Old 12-02-2019, 12:07 PM
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Apples is killing me with 45-70 talk. So I did some reading. Big mistake. That is an intriguing cartridge. I am partial to straight wall cases (easier for me to reload). Dang, that round is straight walled.

Found a matching 45-70 pistol for you Apples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnum_Research_BFR

Touche', big guy. :-) Happy Thanksgiving lever lovers.
Actually it's not a straight wall cartridge. I wish it was.
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Look two posts up.
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I read somewhere that Winchester 1886 is a stronger action for 45-70 loads. I have a new production 86 in 45-90. I have never loaded stout loads for it using 45-90 cases, but it should be better suited for really strong loads. The problem is that you need to use a scout scope or red dot because of the top ejection.
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I read somewhere that Winchester 1886 is a stronger action for 45-70 loads. I have a new production 86 in 45-90. I have never loaded stout loads for it using 45-90 cases, but it should be better suited for really strong loads. The problem is that you need to use a scout scope or red dot because of the top ejection.
I would think it's the best production levergun for these larger cartridges
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https://www.riflemagazine.com/magazi...1532&magid=104

Ed Stevenson of Sheep River Hunting Camps in Alaska is/was fond of the 1886 chambered in .45-70

Story linked to above was published over 15 years ago, and Ed had already been at it since 1960 when he was a young man.

Isn’t the Win 1892 a scaled-down version of an ‘86? But! we digress.

The Marlin 1895 is plenty strong for what I might need it to do.
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Actually it's not a straight wall cartridge. I wish it was.
But it is a easy case to reload for using either BP or smokeless been loading them for years never had a problem I use a good case lube and wipe down when loaded.. Be nice if you could use a carbide die but donít know of any.
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Apples,
The Ed Stevenson article was tremendous. I recommend that everyone read it. Makes me want to watch "Jeremiah Johnson" again.

Ed, and those like him, are an inspiration and the source of relevant real world rifle reviews.
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I've never fired a 45-70. how would you compare the recoil to a 12 ga. with 2 3/4 slugs?
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About the same.

.45-70 Trapdoor-level loads from the Marlin 1895 (7.5 lbs) feel like low-recoil 12 ga 1oz slugs from an 18' Remington 870, and .45-70 recoil increases from that pressure level (bullet weight affects recoil, but not always in the way that one might expect; it depends on the burn rate of the propellant, barrel length and weight of the rifle).

You can expect commercial .45-70 loaded a little hotter, *to be used in modern action strengths* to feel like standard-velocity 12 ga slugs, more or less.
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1886 Browning 45-70 video. Good historical too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8mnA1U1fL8
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Ah, the 1886, again! It stalks me.


In your linked hickok45 vid, he talks about Lyle Bennett of Winchester visiting Browning’s little shop in Ogden. What remained of that shop space and his tools have been relocated to a small museum in Ogden. I had the pleasure of a tour last summer. Here’s what remains of his workspace...

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Apples,
I read the Browning biography. Besides being impressed with his prodigious mechanical genius, I was really astounded that he created those guns from such a modest shop. When he asked Bennett for a royalty, Bennett ended their long relationship. Nice guy.
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Yeah, Winchester really screwed up on that one. They could have had the A5 which Remington and Savage and FN got instead, along with countless other designs that he dispersed to other manufactures. The 1895 was the last Browning Design that Winchester got.

Too bad as there was a big market for Machine Guns that emerged about 1914 and continues til today.

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I have a JM Marlin Guide Gun with the ported barrel. It is a load of fun with handloads with coated 300 and 350 gr bullets. I have a ghost ring rear sight on it. Most of my shooting with it is at 50 yards
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