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Old 04-24-2019, 2:09 PM
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Along with a 2 yr expiration.
Well... yes... that is there, too. But I don't think of that as a "restriction" but as telling me that it's only good for 2 years...

And you'all know that I was making the point there is NO 10 rounds or less restriction...
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In a life or death situation the last thing you'll be worried about is whether or not you are carrying legally let alone more than 10 rounds and those extra rounds could be the difference between life and death.
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Official word from the DOJ

http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/...d-Stay_102.pdf
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She just released an official announcement that CCW holders CAN carry any legally acquired magazine!
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I’ll just leave this here.
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^ that speaks for Fresno County, not the rest of the 50+ counties.
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That’s one for the range bags/gun cases.
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^ that speaks for Fresno County, not the rest of the 50+ counties.
To me, i need to follow my IA GUIDELINES.

They are silent on this issue.

I dont need permission to carry a legally owned OEM magazine in a firearm i am licensed to carry.

If they put out the word that i cant, thats their prerogative.

But i am not going to ask. I dont need permission to do something that is legal.
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^ agreed. I'm not going to ask either.
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^ that speaks for Fresno County, not the rest of the 50+ counties.
True, but LA, SF and Contra Costa seem to not issue permits, so we’re down to 54 unknown.

Or, you can take the position that, unless otherwise restricted, you can do legal stuff....
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She just released an official announcement that CCW holders CAN carry any legally acquired magazine!
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Delete this god forsaken thread. Anyone voluntarily ignorant enough to keep asking this question is contributing to the strong possibility of some IA’s deciding they’d better make a policy. What the HELL is so hard to understand about that?
1. They’re legal.
2. If there’s no policy at all, carry on, and SHUT THE HELL UP.
3. If your IA already has a policy, know about it.
4. If your IA announces a new policy, find out about it in a timely manner.

WTF more is there to know?
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. WTF more is there to know?
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Does anyone know if we can carry standard mags in Sacramento county?
If you are unsure, and you are deadset on getting permission, I would call your issuing agency and not just take the word of someone on the internet.
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If you are unsure, and you are deadset on getting permission, I would call your issuing agency and not just take the word of someone on the internet.
First, I REALLY like your Avatar statement.

Now,

You’re clearly not clear on the gist of this discussion.

The ability to use LCMs in CCW or other weapons hasn’t changed since 2000, with the exception of the now stayed provisions of Proposition 63. (Which opens the program to a new generation).

Prior to the federal court ruling, the Sac Sheriff didn’t establish a policy prohibiting the use of LCMs in CCW guns. As previously noted, (in another post) the Sac Sheriff HASN’T issued any policy guidance precluding the use of LCMs since Prop 63 passage.

That’s a simple fact, not, “...the word of someone on the internet.”

If you think he has, cite your source.

Otherwise, why do you think Sheriff Jones would preclude CCW holders from doing something which is patently legal and not tell us about it? As an example, he’s posted policy on no guns in businesses with “no guns” signs, so why not address this? Because he doesn’t have to because it’s legal.

On a political slant, Jones has taken inordinate heat on the CCW issue, and his budget is coming up for the Board of Supervisors. I have no doubt he will take a progressive pounding for the “IG Issue” and can expect the cost of the CCW program to pop up, again. Sacramento Mayor Darrel “I tried to ban every semi-auto rifle in CA when I was in the Senate”, Steinberg is the mentor and “adoptive uncle” of Board of Supervisors member Phil “My Dad was mayor of Sacramento” Serna. And Steinberg is irked that Jones locked out the IG. The progressive mouth of the Sacramento Bee, Marcos Breton (apologies for not adding the accent mark) resurfaced this nonsense this week, and as budgets get closer, he will continue to pound the Supervisors and Jones.

Silence on Jones’ part on this issue is far more intelligent than a policy statement.

AND, if you missed it, the use of LCMs is LEGAL during the federal judge’s stay.
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If you are unsure, and you are deadset on getting permission, I would call your issuing agency and not just take the word of someone on the internet.
No. Do not do this. If there is no prohibition, its allowed. If you arent comfortable, simply dont carry them

DO NOT BOMBARD YOUR IA WITH IDIOTIC QUESTIONS ASKING PERMISSION TO DO WHAT IS LEGAL.

YOU ARE GOING TO SCREW IT UP FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
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What can I legally do in life?



-Use words of no more than two syllables (sorry);

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-Provide six case law proofs;

-Explain future legal issues if any other laws are ever passed.

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I’m delegating the project to my team of interns. They’ll messenger it over to you Monday before noon.
I know that bureaucratic maneuver; you didn’t specify which Monday...
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No. Do not do this. If there is no prohibition, its allowed. If you arent comfortable, simply dont carry them

DO NOT BOMBARD YOUR IA WITH IDIOTIC QUESTIONS ASKING PERMISSION TO DO WHAT IS LEGAL.

YOU ARE GOING TO SCREW IT UP FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
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Congratulations. You proved your own point.
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You all misunderstood what I was telling the guy. I never indicated that it is necessary to calling his IA or that he needs permission to do what is already legal. The point of the post was to demonstrate that if someone is insistent on finding out a particular policy, despite how unnecessary it might actually be, they shouldn't rely solely on the words found on an internet forum.
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You all misunderstood what I was telling the guy. I never indicated that it is necessary to calling his IA or that he needs permission to do what is already legal. The point of the post was to demonstrate that if someone is insistent on finding out a particular policy, despite how unnecessary it might actually be, they shouldn't rely solely on the words found on an internet forum.

Let’s distill it to this:

1. Don’t rely solely on words posted on Internet fora for anything at all.

2. DON’T ASK YOUR ISSUING AGENCY ABOUT STANDARD CAPACITY MAGAZINES.




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I carry standard capacity magazines.

They hold 6, 6 and 8.

I carry firearms that were designed for concealed carry.

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You all misunderstood what I was telling the guy. I never indicated that it is necessary to calling his IA or that he needs permission to do what is already legal. The point of the post was to demonstrate that if someone is insistent on finding out a particular policy, despite how unnecessary it might actually be, they shouldn't rely solely on the words found on an internet forum.
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If you are unsure, and you are deadset on getting permission, I would call your issuing agency and not just take the word of someone on the internet.
What that appears to encourage is asking for permission. While he’s at it, perhaps he should also ask if the mags must be OEM, if the holster must be leather or kydex or hybrid, if the ammunition he’s chosen is approved, if his holster needs a retention strap or if he can carry an extra magazine...or maybe two? Are night sights legal, and can you run a light on your gun?

You can’t be free while constantly asking for permission.

At some point, CCW holders may have to rapidly evaluate information available to them, and in a split-second, decide to take another’s life. When that happens, should they call the IA and ask permission to shoot?

Doesn’t it make sense to begin that decision training now? We need to be able to gather information from various sources AND MAKE AN INDEPENDENT DECISION.

With all of the information available on this site, an individual should be able to make the best decision for themselves. If they aren’t comfortable with the info, then leave the LCMs home.

If they have to ask, “Mother may I”, they should leave the gun at home.
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Anyone know if Sheriff Youngblood in Kern Co has a position on this? Website shows no updates. Hoping it stays that way!
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Anyone know if Sheriff Youngblood in Kern Co has a position on this? Website shows no updates. Hoping it stays that way!

I suggest you read the thread. Just scroll all the way up and start from the top. Read the whole thing. Hopefully you’ll conclude that you need to delete your question.



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Delete this god forsaken thread. Anyone voluntarily ignorant enough to keep asking this question is contributing to the strong possibility of some IA’s deciding they’d better make a policy. What the HELL is so hard to understand about that?
1. They’re legal.
2. If there’s no policy at all, carry on, and SHUT THE HELL UP.
3. If your IA already has a policy, know about it.
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This is slightly off topic yet related, anyone know if armed security officers are allowed to carry there duty guns with scms? I do a part time armed gig andmy superior wasnt sure as he said bsis hasnt mentioned anything to them.
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This is slightly off topic yet related, anyone know if armed security officers are allowed to carry there duty guns with scms? I do a part time armed gig andmy superior wasnt sure as he said bsis hasnt mentioned anything to them.
I truly don’t know if they can carry their duty guns with LCMs whilst performing their duties, there, but,

PSSST....It’s not illegal. BSIS isn’t going to set a policy. Your employer, not your “superior”, is on the hook for employment policy. They have lawyers on retainer to advise them.

Ask your “superior” to find the answer.
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